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France won't get very far without some home cooking help from refs.
Awful lack of playmaking.
I'm late to the party and I realize it's an exhibition, but unless either or both of Gobert and Wembanyama is in foul trouble,at Collet for having the best defensive anchor duo since Robinson and Duncan and not having at least one play every non blowout second.
France won't get very far without some home cooking help from refs.
Awful lack of playmaking.
France's BBall team is TERRIBLE. Why did Victor waste his time coming here?
I still don't understand the logic and style of play of this team. The average IQ of the entire team must be around 60, you don't set up game systems as if basketball were a game of chess. You play on basics. Otherwise, if in a system going from a to z, you can't get past point a against a defense that won't let you set up your damn telegraphed system, your system boils down to "oh, I still have 3 seconds to shoot, I'm already lucky to have gotten this far into possession, but what do I do with the ball? They annoy me on defense, mom!"
And whether in attack or defense, it all starts with the guards. If you have a physical deficit in the guard positions, your bigs will never see the ball except on defense to recover the ball under the basket... Exactly the same observation as last year. Victor or not, he can't play guard in a FIBA game or against a team with an athletic advantage like Canada on the guard posts. It's so ugly to see all these panicked players playing chess with their big boxing gloves.
Collet: “Why can’t they follow the Newtonian system that I put in place for them? I don’t understand.” Just run and shoot...
That was the first France game I’ve seen out of these exhibition games. Thought for sure they would be much better, their guard play is god awful. Their offense has no action at all either, stagnant as .
Wemby get sonned by Dillon Brooks again?
Wemby not getting any quality shots. Partly due to the terrible guards and play making France has and him settling for off the dribble turnarounds or step backs. His handle is still too much of a wild card to consistently create anything.
He’s not being allowed to create. They’re making him depend on feeds from the guards, and they’re awful.
They didn‘t run one inverted pick & roll
Reminds me of a certain basketball team in the south of Texas.
Spurs at least let him create, even if our guards struggled to get him the ball.
Did this game have any standings / seeding meaning whatsoever?
If not I'm fine with Wemby honing his skills with the scrub French guards.
While I agree french backcourt is limited (I would have given Nolan a shot tbh at that point), and whatever one might think about Collet, he's an experienced coach.
And just like Pop back in the days, he knows showing your cards in those meaningless games doesn't make sense, specially in an era where you have a bunch of analysts and vidoes guys dissecting opponents game. Not presuming anything about this french team in the Olympics but you can at least be sure the systems and style of play you'll see in the real compe ion will be different. Those friendly games are just to warm up and get used to each others.
Who's Gobert is your comp?I'm late to the party and I realize it's an exhibition, but unless either or both of Gobert and Wembanyama is in foul trouble,
None were as bad on offense and a liability as Gobert is.
No idea why some act as if he's a strength when he's Fance's main weakness! (with their coach obvioulsly).
The coaching is insane as is the players selection. Guys like Albicy aren't even Gleague level
Don't expect any improvement offensively speaking, with Collet it'll ALWAYS depends on individual talents
Only shot Fance has to be decent (forget a result) is on D
Yep
I really wished it was a chess move by Collet in case we meet Canada again but the dude is so incompetent I'm afraid it was his plan to put Vic in the corner most of the time on offense...
2 silver linings, first selfishly as a french this might FINALLY expose Collet so we could finally move on from this muppet and 2nd Victor will be back in SA sooner than expected to prepare for what eally matters
Just lower ur expectations bro...
Between the weakness of the roster and the coaches there's nothing to expect.
My only hope/expectation is for Vic not to injured himself tbh. Can't wait for the NBA to start soon enough
Wemby must be thinking he's back playing with the Spurs.
Well, I hope that too, but I also had higher expectation for France. I was thinking Silver or Bronze medal at worst, but now I'm not sure. I think their pool looks like the weakest, so they should get to the quarter finals (not sure how it works after the pool games, though, and who plays who).
Anyway, I wanted France to do well as they're playing at home and also to boost Victor's confidence even higher, and not only that, but I thought if France did well and Victor did well, that might draw more players to want to play with Victor in the NBA. Apart from that, it was always Argentina and France I used to go for due to Manu & TP (I actually loved seeing Boris play for them even before he was on the Spurs as he was a great player, then when he got on the Spurs, I liked him even more, but it was watching some of the games he played for France that made me become a fan of his. It opened my eyes to how good he was. I even thought to myself, darn, he's a better overall player than Tony, but I didn't ever say that as TP was a Spurs player and Boris wasn't, so I didn't want to acknowledge it), and of course Australia, but AU weren't a realistic shot at silver or bronze most of those years apart from last Olympics. I used to hate Spain, though, due to them always being in the way of Argentina early on and then France later on, but they really did have some great players and teams.
Many of Vic’s shots look unnecessarily difficult, which was also the case this past season in SA. I get the teammate bit, but I also think the player has to develop more and build strength.
Yep. Almost every game last season all his production was in crazy spurts and happened in a flash. He usually starts the game really slow too. He is still learning to play.
In ordinary times, I would agree that we hide our game before a compe ion. Except that for the French team, no system has ever solved anything. It's even specific to all French teams in many sports. It’s part of French Flair. Sometimes for the better, often for the worse. Just like what the French expect in politics, it is always a providential man (or a Joan of Arc) who allows them to win. The French spirit is not at all geared towards tactics, rigor or consistency. The French mind only knows the flashes of brilliance, the “panache”.
In football, whatever the talent of the players, the French teams have never given anything without the presence of a player who stands out from the crowd. This was the case with Platini, then Zidane, then with the young Mbappé. In basketball, it's the same story, with even more difficulties. TP was so superior to his teammates, especially in his very "American" spirit of wanting to take responsibility for the game in the face of a very French mentality of "passing dishes", that he unbalanced the team's attack and was easy to defend. The defenses in FIBA are much tougher than in the NBA. Canadian players have this dual culture.
Nothing says that Victor could not be this “providential man” for the French team, but this year, given the quality of the opposition proposed at the Olympic Games, this remains more uncertain than ever and left to hypothetical blows of brilliance. France will never win thanks to tactics, coaches, or systems. The team can lose, however, by denying certain principles of play which would make them play unnaturally. And its nature is not to try to play basketball that it does not master. There is a certain feeling of inferiority in the French game when faced with supposedly technically superior teams and with more intelligent players: the Spaniards, the Greeks and players from the former Yugoslavia. For years, FNT have tried to imitate them, but we do not play against nature. Yes, some tactics can be helpful. But that's not how France will win. It's by playing on simple principles: not making mistakes when defending, running and taking advantage of a physical advantage when it exists, limiting ball turnovers by avoiding forced passes and not refusing open shots (great specialty French, à la Boris).
The French team has never been so good inside. Gobert does stupid things but he is a dissuasive. Gershon and Lessort are two of the best interior players in Europe. Victor is Victor. But the guards must be able to put them in good conditions: know how to defend, bring the ball up, and possibly represent a threat offensively. This is still not a question of tactics. Collet kept two old people incapable of fitting into this framework (De Colo, Fournier). The other players are dish passers.
I don't believe at all that Traoré would have been useful to the team. Too much uncertainty about his level of play, about his ability to adapt to a level never before encountered. Hifi and Francisco would have been more useful in this context, or even Hayes. Hifi and Francisco had this French Flair capable of leading an attack with brilliant shots to assist Victor. And contrary to what Collet claims, they are excellent defenders despite their small size. We will see if Strazel can assume this responsibility, but Collet tends to never trust the young players in whom he has started to give his trust. I can bet that in the event of problems, Collet will put Albicy and Fournier on the floor. It's not a question of tactics, it's a question of trust and politics. These are his guys. Francisco missed an important shot last year. Instead of congratulating him for taking the shot, the mentality was more to blame him for not letting Fournier take the shot. Same thing with Okobo. Still not a question of tactics or systems, but of politics. You will always have guars struggling to find their shot, that's the French team. The difference will be who gets to have those shots or not. Victor will have all the difficult shots, Bilal will have this shots despite his low % and his su ious selection of shots, Fournier, De Colo, Batum. It’s selective French Flair. I still don't call it tactics.
Gobert's offensive limitations don't take away the facts that he's the second highest impact player on the roster, an elite defensive anchor and having two of them is a luxury and the strength of their roster.
Wemby is both showing the tremendous ability that will soon make him one of the top players in the world while also showing that he’s inconsistent and nowhere near a finished product.
Wemby needs a creator guard to set up the offense so that he can be an elite finisher.
This is the hope and promise of CP3, and maybe Castle or someone else in the future.
The pb starts at the top of the pyramid. We lack elite coaching that brings and sustains elite culture.
France depends too much on individualities and is between 2 generations, with Batum Fournier De Colo ... on their last legs and Wemby Bilal and the youngsters coming in the NBA
In between it's less than average talent wise then add some stupid politics that prevent quality players from being called
Wemby brings doubts because he's a cheat code, Batum will help a lot as usual but really France has a very bad team and a HORRIBLE coaching (tough to have to win despite ur coach)
Also Gobert is a massive handicap
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