No.
I know this is all bunk but this deal would limit Wemby's championship run to maybe 2 years at most by not only giving up all the other "talent" currently on the roster but also, all the picks. I know so.e people would do this deal in a second, but it's ing lunacy in reality.
Why? He's 35 and the price to get him in his declining years would immediately limit the coming Spurs future championship era.
Yeah but you have to consider that Wemby will eventually attract key free agents the championship window will continue thru his prime. This guy might be 20 but in NBA impact he's like an all pro in his prime. Spurs are on the clock and must take some risks even if they include him in the planning.
Curry is now better than Markkanen will ever be. He and especially he and Lebron open up an immediate championship window. This deal doesn't look possible, if it were the price would be trivial.
As long as we don't have to take Bronny
Would be hilarious for the Spurs to do Bron and Curry the same way they’re doing CP3 by showing him in numberless jersey mock-ups. Paying all of our picks for these two would be worth it for that alone.
such a silly proposal, wtf
Right. I said above it'd open a 2 yr championship window, maaaybe. But at what cost given that Nick Wright proposal? Pretty much every existing teammate player of value on Wemby's development timeline and every major 1st round pick we have basically 6 years henceforth. We gave up a lot of talent that we even had for some of those picks to trade them away for a 2 yr window, imo.
And FTR, I was not one of those folks on this board ready and willing to give up the house for Markennen. So at least on that front you can't hold me to a comparison in talent in the two proposed trades.
In theory yes. But in practice you'd have vold vets surrounding Wemby and not much else. With no draft help coming. How many vets are gonna want to come into a situation like that, and what would wemby think of his situation in 2027-2028 when those guys retire and he's got nothing around him with little coming to help.
I'm having a bit of difficulty parsing your meaning.
I think we both think the deal posited in this thread would be worth it. It's basically four spare picks and salary to turn Vassell and Johnson into Curry and James. I'm not even sure if it's possible salary-wise. But to put it into perspective, the Spurs keep Castle and have a chance to high picks in 2025 and 2026 via Atlanta. Lebron and Curry both roll off eventually, giving the Spurs a window for cap space. If you burned those assets and added dead cap hits to match Curry's and James' salaries, there would still be many paths to build a contender around Wemby. That you also get a one- to three-year window of solid contending status makes it an obvious choice.
Now if we're talking about potential trade packages for Curry outside of that OP trade, it's a more complicated question. It's certainly not going to cost, "pretty much every existing teammate player of value on Wemby's development timeline and every major 1st round pick we have basically 6 years henceforth". No one else can pay that for Curry, so why would the Spurs? I would put it closer to what we were talking about for Young or Garland. Those trades don't break the Spurs long-term. Of course, this idea that the important thing is to maximize the window in six-to-eight years rather than open a real window now. I can't ride with that. If you can bring in one GOAT candidate (let alone two) and turn Wemby into the best Robin in the NBA, you do it. Yes, there's stuff you have to do afterwards to maximize the margin for error on the roster. But the Spurs still have the ability to pull that off.
So if for example the trade was Vassell, Collins, and the best 25, 27 and 31 picks, the Spurs would have
Curry, Paul, Jones, Wesley, Flynn
Castle, Champangie, Branham, Boston
Barnes, Johnson, Minix
Sochan, Mamukelashivili, Cissoko,
Wembanyama, Bassey, Mensah
Ingram, Bouyea, Duke
Of course, the fact that Paul is on the team means there's no reason to believe a deal is even hypothetically on the table. However, with the RE still around to bring in a vet piece like Osman and a potential Jones/Paul trade to bring in a forward, there's no reason why the Spurs couldn't still have a very deep roster. In terms of picks, they'd still have
2025 SAS/ATL (worst), CHI25, CHA25
2026 SAS/ATL (best)
2027 SAS/ATL (worst)
2028 SAS/BOS (best)
2029 SAS
2030 SAS/DAL/MINN (best)
2031 SAS/MINN (worst)
Certainly doesn't feel like a crippled situation.
I kinda see it like the Duncan era. We just reload with great role players with Wemby and --someone we must find-- being the constants. Throw in some late first rounders.
Only concern there in my mind is it wasn't just Duncan. We also had 2 other future HOFs on those rosters also in their primes. If we had that with Wemby I'd be all in for this strategy.
They didn’t start as Hall of Famers, they started as a #29 pick and a. #57 pick.
Fair point, but I think in the context of our conversation what sustained the Spurs through the Duncan era and permitted the strategy paperboy is talking about came after those two were drafted. It wasn't just Duncan.
Duncan won on the Robinson built teams first (and was undoubtedly the alpha dog), then needed another 4 years to ring again with Parker and Ginobili, then won every other year over the next 4 with said vets and low draft picks.
Timmy is underrated as a goat for winning 5 rings without “franchise player” teammates, and 19 years making in the playoffs with 50+ wins every single year. Nobody does that. Granted Timmy inherited a playoff team under DRob. And Timmy’s team had winning culture every year. It’s a challenge for Wemby to switch that to winning culture after several seasons of losing, devoid of “winning continuity” that the addition of Timmy just made better. Wemby has to start from ground zero building up. Veterans like CP3 and Barnes would help. I don’t know if Pop is the same hungry coach. The thing that’s going for Wemby is the “hype.” Wemby is an alien that veterans and ring chasers would love to play with. Timmy in his 19 winning years never had that. Aldridge chose the Spurs but with kids attending school locally. Wemby would have a stiffer climb for sure.
The Duncan era is so different from what it is now. With the first and second apron teams can no longer throw money at championships, which is great for a small market team like the spurs, but it also means that it will be extremely difficult to renew multiple max level players and keep a core together for a long period of time (duncan ginobili and Parker were max players).
The second part is that the play style today is no longer as single player dependant as before, back then a top five player on your team would pretty much guarantee a playoff spot, right now with so much ball movement, switches and cuts you can no longer have any weaknesses at any point on offence or defence. The effectiveness of a player like Bowen would be limited and players like nesterovic, Nazr and such are pretty much unplayable. To build a team with continued success around a player like wemby in a small market the team must load up on picks to cycle through third option and supporting players year over year. We can have a second option locked up but financial management is the name of the game going forward.
Will Julian give up his number 30 though
Curry just reiterated that he would like to Identify as Warrior for the rest of his ABC career.
Warriors, Stephen Curry agree to 1-year, $62.6M extension - ESPN
Damn! Easy for us peasants to say but when you are knocking on billionaire status before it is all said and done I’m surprised a few of these guys who are in comparison to most athletes very wholesome, educated and diversified financially wouldn’t take 20-30mm off the table for a few last runs at a deep playoff run. Although with the new CBA the Warriors are already so ed I’m not sure his pay-cut would make a meaningful difference.
I think two max players/superstars is now the model but for lucrative teams/markets and contenders they are still going to be able to fill their bench out with quality role players. Guys like Gary Trent Jr, Kelly Oubre, Tyus Jones all signed for materially lower amounts than they would before the current CBA. Financially savvy front offices are going to start reaping the rewards. Roster construction will be way more strategic going forward. Guys like Ingram are about to be left in the dust.
How many players do you hear saying they want(ed) to be another Kome.
Contrast with
How many players say / said they want to pattern their career of the true Player of His Era Timmy Duncan.
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