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CP3 is old and washed up. That's why he ended up on the Spurs. People here expecting he's going to turn this team around were being unrealistic.
He might be Kawahing the spurs
CP3 is old and washed up. That's why he ended up on the Spurs. People here expecting he's going to turn this team around were being unrealistic.
Some day, the Spurs will have a modern NBA offense with modern defensive schemes. The old man can't coach forever.
It will not be this season
Small sample size of course, but after 4 games, here are some 3pt%s:
Wemby: 19%
Sochan: 20%
KJ: 18.8%
Castle: 0%
Spurs currently rank 22nd in the league in both 3pt% and TS%. Lots of work to do in this area.
Little talked about storyline: how awful Keldon has been
9.5 points and 18.8% from 3
That contract has flipped upside down, should have traded him when he could score his 20 a game because his game is trash now, Spurs would have to attach picks to get rid of him like with Collins
The team just sucks to be honest. I mean, it’s been known, but so many got so hyped about adding Harrison Barnes + CP3. Those guys, while good vets, aren’t adding a lot of wins and all the real growth was always going to have to come from leaps from Socha/Dev/Keldon/Wemby etc…
Spurs really didnt do anything to improve for this season in the off season which was obvious, but they did get the young guys some good leaders to help with their growth even if it doesnt translate to wins.
But man, with Wemby playing like this and Keldon (Dev leaped last year and Sochan is on his way this year) it’s going to be tough sledding until Wemby can turn it around and Castle can find his way (hopefully)
But we have such little talent up and down the roster it’s staggering. Im willing to wager that in 2 years time (so this season + 2 more) the only guys that will be here AT BEST are Wemby/Dev/Sochan/Castle and the only two im for sure will be here is seemingly Wemby/Castle.
Yeah, but have you seen our future draft pick assets?
BWrong
Tbh, starting lineup will be fine with Devin instead of Champagnie when Wemby gets on top of his game.
The problem is that the bench is still horrible.
Keldon is a tank commander, Champagnie is a solid bench shooter, Castle is a rookie that will need some months to figure it out, others aren't NBA players.
The issue is that PATFO are putting so much emphasis on developing players who will never be relevant.But we have such little talent up and down the roster it’s staggering. Im willing to wager that in 2 years time (so this season + 2 more) the only guys that will be here AT BEST are Wemby/Dev/Sochan/Castle and the only two im for sure will be here is seemingly Wemby/Castle.
Like who cares if Wesley is out of the league next summer or he gets another 3 year minimum deal somewhere as a 10th man. He'll never be a good backup point guard for a compe ive team, let alone something more.
We've been bad for too long and now we're grasping for straws, trying to look at positive attributes of charity cases in hope they actually develop.
Even Tre who transformed our team last season just because he can bring the ball up the floor without constantly turning it over is a scrub.
Undersized point guard with subpar athleticism and poor 3pt shot. His brother is a tier above him and he couldn't get an actual contract.
I like our assets and trajectory. All that matters is that Wemby/Castle/Dev/Sochan are good and with Sochan leaping more things are looking good there. The rest of the guys will be replaced by higher end talent via those draft picks and FA/Trades soon enough.Yeah, but have you seen our future draft pick assets?
BWrong
Frustrating now, but the team knows they need that high end draft talent so team and development plan and cap management is built around that concept ^
What trajectory?
They added the most hyped project since LeBron before last season and still lost 60 games.
Year 2 of Wemby + another top 5 pick + more veterans and they're looking at another 50+ loss season.
At some point, you gotta admit that their development has been . Their roster building has been . And those people (the old man and BWrong) should be held accountable tbh.
It'd be simple for most teams that didn't have a bottom 5 coach in the league tbh
I mean yeah every game the opposing team just puts short swing man on him who can rip the ball away because they know the Spurs won't do to isolate him in the post against those players. It's the go go play book for everyone and I'm not sure what the Spurs expect Wemby to do on his own to take advantage of that matchup. His go to is to face them up which is the exact wrong thing to do. And isolating him does no ing good sometimes because he's surrounded by shooters are are awful that when he makes the correct play and quick pass out we're unable to take advantage of it. Part of the problem is that Wemby makes the quick pass right away and sometimes he needs to force the issue. Instead he forces the issue in situations where he is faced up and the ball is easy to rip from him.
Sochan has made good advances to be a better player, but you can't fust keep putting non shooters around Wemby. That will just help the defense minimize him and Pop can't keep trying these offensive schemes that only work if we have shooters. It's infuriating how little this team does to help him with the system. The offense has somehow regressed around him this season so far which is absolutely insane. Yeah, not havnig Devin out there isn't ideal, but he's still an amazing player in his own right that Pop should be able to put into better situations.
I'm just incredibly frustrated by the lack of coaching. And yes, Wemby isn't blame less, but it's the job of the COACH to put him in good positions and to break his bad habits and if he can't do that then just retire and let someone else come in who can.
Looking at the schedule before the season a 1-3 is what was the most likely outcome with two road game losses at Dallas and OKC and a home split with Houston. Spurs are exactly where you would expect them to be at 1-3.
i dont know how vic's poor start is a matter of him "Trying to hard" he's just of just lazily standing around the perimeter instead of actively working to put himself in good position or create scoring opportunities
he's either completely gassed or feels a little full of himself like he's en led to have a better season just because
Yeah, I think the reasoning going into the season was that any minutes played by Paul, Barnes, and even Castle were going to be competent minutes by credible NBA rotation players and that would be an improvement over last year.
Unfortunately Paul has just sort of replaced the Jones minutes with another more or less back-uo quality player who has no business starting in the current NBA, and because Jones is hurt, the other point guard minutes are just as bad as last year
Barnes is doing replacement level things in the front court, but now Keldon Johnson has devolved into a flaming wreckage who stinks up the joint
Castle is the Prince of Bricks who is already passing up shots, who could have seen that coming? So while he's defending good for a rookie, he's playing guard like Sochan was last year, probably even worse
This roster is just trash
i thought again that the biggest problem was keldon, he seems to be forcing a lot and missing when he is open from three. I think that for him to become valuable in this league, he needs to be a ballhandler, but i also think that for now it is negatively impacting the team. Also the team seems to never be in transition which is unacceptable given how young they are. Wemby has been playing bad all season, except in his passing to and from sochan. shooters as expected, aren't performing, and at some point they will just have to.
It won’t happen, but I’d love to see Mamu at least get a shot at the backup forward minutes instead of Keldon
Yeah, I said this a couple of hours ago. The Spurs are trying to do whatever they can teams to stop cross-guarding. Sochan's been doing a yeoman's job, but teams are willing to live with it. I thought for a second Pop was going to experiment with Collins/Wemby. I would prefer Bassey instead because of the vertical threat. In reality, Wemby's playing like a wing with below-average coordination and handles. It's going to be very hard to punish a cross-match so long as that's the case.
As I said in other threads, I think what folks are seeing as passiveness might be progress. Wemby "actively working to put himself in good position or create scoring opportunities" is basically what's been the problem most of the year. Centers do not do that. They take advantage of the opportunities created for them. Wemby actually held a screen at least once last night. By my rough calculations, Wemby was plus-2 in the second half and minus-6 in the first despite the second half being supposedly when the bottom fell out. For the first time all year, Wemby finished with a higher plus-minus than Collins. They were able to go on runs with him on the court, and that hasn't usually been the case this year.
The Spurs NEED quality center play. The offense requires that way more than it requires good PG play. It's critical that Wemby learn how to meet the basic requirements to play the position, because it's the best place for him to play at this point. Last night, whether it was by conscious choice or because of some issue, he made real progress toward doing that. If Wemby can keep that up, and the team can adjust to real center play again, and Wemby can use that as a foundation to grow his immense talent, they're cooking.
im not saying wemby needs to break the offense, dive to the rim, and put his hand up to call for the ball every time.
but part of doing center things also includes getting his ass closer to the basket. yes, holding screens is an improvement, and generally on defense i have noticed he doesnt jump at every pump fake anymore. but im not sure how much he's helping the offense when the other team has a wing on him, and wemby just catches the ball 21 feet out, and cant really do anything with it other than putting up a bad shot or passing it back to somebody else.
teams can get away with putting wings on wemby if he's not going to punish them for it with his height advantage. if he catches the ball 12 feet from the rim instead of 22 feet from the rim, he can just rise up for a high percentage shot until the other team adjusts
Obvious to all of us but begs the question - wtf do the Spurs do in film sessions? Wtf do they do in practice??
History lessons.
"For film today, we'll be watching a do entary on the history of the Chatham Islands and the plight of the Moriori people. After that in practice we'll resume our work on the traditional textile weaving from the steppes of Kyrgyzstan."
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I bet they are pretty versed on the geology of Africa by now tbh
Yeah, I agree. I don't think this was a moral victory at all like how some posters are saying the Spurs hung in there. I don't think OKC was even that focused on the game. OKC IMO didn't have to try 100% to win this game.
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