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As much as I'd love Giannis on the team, him+Wemby+10 G-leaguers don't take us to the Finals, much less win us a le. Sad facts.
Don't stop there. Adrian Griffin.
As much as I'd love Giannis on the team, him+Wemby+10 G-leaguers don't take us to the Finals, much less win us a le. Sad facts.
Theoretically we could build a good roster, it's just that Spurs aren't a franchise that would ever do it.
And I wouldn't do it if I was in charge. But for the sake of it, let's see...
We got all of our picks, can trade 4 out of 7 due to Sapien rule.
Two ATL picks, CHI could convey next year, MIN pick and 4 more swaps.
Devin, Castle and Jeremy are worth 4 or 5 FRPs.
We'd have a decent number of picks left, with everyone who's left on the roster being easily moveable.
Giannis and Wemby would be making ~$80M combined, 60 left for the rest of the roster.
Let's say CP3/Champ/Barnes/Giannis/Wemby with Tre as backup PG and ~20M left for backup big and two more perimeter players.
Cap goes up by $15M next year and assuming just Giannis and Wemby stay on the roster, we'd have ~$70M cap space due Giannis' raising contract.
If it was to happen (again, I wouldn't do it), I'd try to keep Devin and give up Castle+Jeremy+8 FRPs and 4 swaps.
I never asked this before or even thought about it, but is there a limit to how many 1st round picks you can trade, or are you not allowed to trade future picks past a certain amount of time/years?
You can trade picks 7 years into the future.
Can't trade own picks in consecutive years. That's why we have a 2026 ATL swap and not their pick outright.
Harden was traded to the Nets for 4 picks and 4 swaps.
PG13 was traded for 5 picks and 2 swaps, lmao.
It's fascinating how often the best players try to play GM and demand the wrong players and accelerate their own team's downfall. But hey, player empowerment.
Skip. Don't think he will complement Wemby well
You can't make a trade that would leave you in a situation where it's possible to have two consecutive future drafts without a first round pick, this is called the Stepien Rule. You also can't trade picks or swaps more than 7 years out. There is no set numerical limit to the number of firsts you can send or receive in a trade, though.
The Spurs have a total of 12 firsts in the next 7 years:
- All their own picks (2025-2031)
- One from CHA (protected 1-14 in 2025, turns into two seconds if it doesn't convey this year)
- Two from ATL (unprotected 2025, 2027)
- One from CHI (protected 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 2027, turns into a second otherwise)
- One from MIN (unprotected 2031)
If you consider the CHA pick to be a "first", which it technically is but is unlikely to convey as one, the Spurs can trade as many as nine firsts away and still comply with the Stepien rule as long as they keep one first in each of 2026/2028/2030. Since the CHI pick is not guaranteed to convey in any specific year, the Spurs would have to keep their own 2026/2028/2030 picks.
Our front office won’t give up what must be given up, so this is all a waste of time. Every player minus Wemby should be available for him.
None, not because I don't want Giannis, but I think we don't have the necessary assets to trade for him, and still field a compe ive team. To top it off, the team will mortgage the future as well.
But a package that would be fair to both teams cost-wise, and something the Spurs can afford.
Spurs 26 pick
Atlanta 26 swap
Spurs 27 pick (keeping Atlanta's)
Spurs 28 pick
Keldon Johnson
As as painful as it is for me to say, Sochan.
Then add in another 71 2nd round picks.
Unless he demands to come to SA only then I wouldn't make an offer. Giannis is a great player but SA is not close to contender status. We'd have to give up basically all of our chest of picks plus Vassell and Castle. Any trade for Giannis would deplete us so much it wouldn't be worth it
i have yet to find a situation where people say DEI in any way that doesnt just mean the n word
It's crazy how fast the narrative in Milwaukee has changed. I 100% thought the trade for Lillard was a mistake... you don't trade a guy like Jrue Holiday-- you look to upgrade at other positions, especially when you know Portland is rebuilding and is going to flip Jrue to a potential rival like Boston. Jrue going to Denver would've been just as bad for Milwaukee's future ring hopes as the Celtic move.
reminds me of the rockets trading paul AND first round picks for westbrook
That was actually forced by Harden, who then forced his way out a year later. As ty as I think Kawhi was, he never pulled any double dip bull like that. James Harden is just the worst.
I wouldn't make an offer at all. Giannis is not on Wemby's timeline.
I don't think OKC would unload what they've built for Giannis. The league is going a different direction.
25 and younger seems more like the ticket if we make a big trade. Seriously doubt that we will this season. Maybe something in the off-season depending on how the draft shakes out.
Giannis is 29, its not like he's 33 and in the last year or two of his dominance.
you would still have a couple of years with Giannis as the best player allowing Wemby to take a step back. and then Giannis begins to decline as Wemby levels up. i think the timelines are actually fine.
to land giannis, we probably need to send out both Vassell and Sochan (plus Collins to make the salaries work), and some package of picks. while these superstar trades always include an uncomfortable amount of draft picks, the spurs are actually sending out two legitimate, young players in the deal as well (assuming teams buy Sochan's third year leap), so i dont know if you'd actually need to empty the full cupboard. in addition to being able to trade 5 of their own FRP's (including several with built in swap rights), we at this point own 3 more unprotected picks outright (ATLx2, MIN), 2 protected picks which are likely to convey (Chicago, Boston), and 1 pick unlikely to convey (charlotte). people saying the spurs would need to empty the coffers are serious suggesting we'd be expected to send 10 first round picks in addition to players. i think thats lunacy.
in this scenario, you have a pretty similar rotation to what we've seen this year so far, except you swap out Sochan for Giannis
Paul, Champagnie, Barnes, Giannis, Wemby
Castle, Branham, Keldon, Mamu off the bench (and Bassey gets in)
i dont think the urgency exists for the spurs to seek this type of deal though
Last edited by spurraider21; 11-05-2024 at 01:33 PM.
He's turning 30 in a month.
He surely has 4 to 5 seasons left in him.
His contract is up until '28, meaning there would be only one year of overlap between his and Wemby's supermax deals.
The only way to make it feasible would be to trade all the near future picks and leave those '29 and onwards picks intact.
If we're talking long term, it wouldn't be that bad if he took a big discount in '28 in order to keep competing.
Make no mistake, we'd need a lot more shooters.
It would basically be point guard, Giannis, Wemby and two shooters on the floor.
Giannis+Lopez for Devin+Keldon+Collins+Jeremy works salary wise.
Biggest issue would be Castle's fit, no way he'd be able to play with Giannis and Wemby, horrible spacing.
I'd try to keep Devin and add Castle instead, with one more FRP.
While I wouldn't pursue a Giannis trade, I feel like timeline thing gets in the way of too many teams that are trying to contend.
If you have a good, young player, you try to maximize it.
Wemby is 7'4 and while he's been healthy so far, you never know. Cap situation also gets in the way easily and young players are never a guarantee to develop.
Giannis is ~9 years older than Wemby.
KD is ~8 years older than Booker and that roster would've worked if they hadn't ed up with Beal trade and got some more role players instead.
Lebron is ~9 years older than AD. Yeah, it's Lebron, but still.
Kyries is ~7 years older than Luka.
Gobert is ~9 years older than Edwards.
Embiid is ~6 years older than Maxey.
If you got good players, it doesn't really matter as long as you're not handing out supermax money to 35 year olds who don't deserve it.
True but Wemby is nowhere near ready. With how he’s looking he will need another 3 years and we‘d have to gut our roster and assets. I think long term the process of building through the draft and then trading for one All-Star seems to be better. Short term having Giannis and Wemby would be amazing, but the supporting cast wouldn’t turn this team into a le favorite.
I don't know about all that. However, when anyone applies DEI principles... what race does it usually try to affect?
Wemby isnt ready to lead a team to a championship as a #1, but as a #2... who knows? If you can pull off the deal where you keep Vassell i think you'd really have to explore that, but i dont see why Milwaukee would do that. they'll get better offers than that.
I don't think he'd be playing like this if we were actually trying to win and he had enough help.
We'll see how things go when Devin is back.
As I wrote already, we'd have plenty of picks and cap space next summer even after a trade for Giannis.and we‘d have to gut our roster and assets
I'm not saying we should do it, but a top tier GM would be able to turn us into a top5 team right away.
It's better if we can actually draft the right players and get them to develop. Nothing is a guarantee in this league and sometimes it's sheer luck.I think long term the process of building through the draft and then trading for one All-Star seems to be better. Short term having Giannis and Wemby would be amazing, but the supporting cast wouldn’t turn this team into a le favorite
I'd rather trade 3 good players and 5 picks for Giannis than 4 picks for a borderline all-star like Bridges, because that's what market looks like now.
Wait this season out and see how Devin, Castle and Jeremy develop, but from the next season onwards I want to see an actual playoffs team.
Next season they definitely have to add some serious long term pieces, I agree.
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