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    Bernie is pro tariff
    Link me where he wants a 25% tariff on food like Trump is proposing with Mexico.

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    If it had been in Texas there surely would have been a good guy with a gun to thwart the shooter

    but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumb post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,

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    What if the shooter was the good guy with the gun? That CEO had quite a body count on him.
    This is a good post by the bummer,,,,United Health care is a insurance company,,,,they deny claims all the time even though people pay into it,,,,,doesnt mean you can kill the CEO but nonetheless,,,,who knows if its some guy that may have lost a family member because United Health wouldnt cover the medical costs?,,,,,

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    Link me where he wants a 25% tariff on food like Trump is proposing with Mexico.
    SnackBoy is a dim bulb, he's more into folktales than details

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    but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumb post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,
    So you're pro good guy with gun in this situation? What if the good guy with gun missed and hit a bystander?

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    This is a good post by the bummer,,,,United Health care is a insurance company,,,,they deny claims all the time even though people pay into it,,,,,doesnt mean you can kill the CEO but nonetheless,,,,who knows if its some guy that may have lost a family member because United Health wouldnt cover the medical costs?,,,,,
    If he kills a family member, friend, partner or dooms you, a family member, friend, partner by denying a life saving treatment I think it's morally fine to defend the other policyholders and depose him the way the shooter did. If I ever get put on a jury of a case like that the state will 100% not get a conviction. To channel Chris Rock, I wouldn't have killed Thompson, but I understand.

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    but since it happened in New York,,,,no one had a gun and didnt stop the shooter and cant even find out who it is,,,,,,blakey with the democrat dumb post again,,,,,par for the course,,,,
    And I hope they never do.

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    Meh. For big insurance, they'll mourn for a minute and it's next s bag up.

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    If he kills a family member, friend, partner or dooms you, a family member, friend, partner by denying a life saving treatment I think it's morally fine to defend the other policyholders and depose him the way the shooter did. If I ever get put on a jury of a case like that the state will 100% not get a conviction. To channel Chris Rock, I wouldn't have killed Thompson, but I understand.
    Yves Smith was great on this

    In case you have not heard, UnitedHealth was a standout denier of insurance claims, which is a fraud that these companies get away with on a pervasive basis. Our tale of tweets below shows not just barely coded views that Thompson’s death was karma, that the claim denials from which he profited resulted not just in dozens but likely hundreds, even thousands of preventable deaths, even though vigilante justice is not a socially desirable way to achieve redress.

    Frankly, I am surprised something like this has not happened sooner. It’s not hard to think of cases of the C-suite killing people for fun and profit. Ford Pintos. Opioid makers with addiction creating sales strategies, with Purdue Pharma the lead but far from only actor. Vioxx, where Merck gamed the clinical trial data to hide extra heart attack deaths, which were so frequent that when the drug was taken off the market, that US mortality rate declined. Monsanto (now Bayer), where the company would have its staff apply the Roundup weedkiller only in heavy-duty protective gear, but never issued similarly stern warnings to customers.

    A close ally during the foreclosure crisis described some of his cases from his days as a class action and even individual tort lawyer on mesothelioma cases. The end state of the cancer is horrific, with the patients often having their ribs break as the cancer both fills up their chest cavity and greatly constricts their breathing capacity. In one, which I gather was not atypical, the defense attorneys kept deposing him, 10 hours a day, days on end, in his deathbed in the hospital. They were not just trying to catch him in an inconsistency. They were trying to kill him faster via the stress and reduction of sleep so he would not be able to testify in court.

    He lived long enough to do so. The spectacle of him being wheeled in, with an oxygen tube and dressed to show his distended upper torso was so appalling to jury that it was not hard to establish that he had been desperately harmed, merely firming up how the defendant was responsible.

    My contact had to stop doing these cases. It was too psychologically draining even though he would win big awards.

    And then the defense bar got good at finding ways to escape meaningful punishment. For instance, Alabama had once been a good venue for this sort of case (forgive me for sparing you why). But the state Supreme Court is elected. Those races soon attracted more in campaign donations than any judicial contest in the US. At one point, the chief justice race got $13 million in donations, far more than the governor’s race.

    The result was any large damage award in Alabama would be cut back on appeals to $1 million, as in couch lint for a big company.
    Murder and Social Murder: The Case of UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson | naked capitalism

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    written on the s casings recovered at the scene

    "deny"

    "delay"

    "depose"

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    (glug)

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    Wondering how many homicides spark a multi-day manhunt, a 10k reward, and if the response would be the same if he was a black homeless person...

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    Follow the money

    Can’t have regular folk pushing back against rich folk

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    Wondering how many homicides spark a multi-day manhunt, a 10k reward, and if the response would be the same if he was a black homeless person...
    for me the more compelling example is people being denied care and dying from it, as a business model

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    written on the s casings recovered at the scene

    "deny"

    "delay"

    "depose"
    Nah it was 'Depose' 'Deny' and 'Defend', a reference to the book "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It"

    https://www.amazon.com/Delay-Deny-De.../dp/1591843154

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    Deny, deny, deny -- and here is the result. I saw a graph somewhere (cannot vouch for its veracity) that UHC denied as many as 35% of claims. 35 in percent. Pay tens of thousands for insurance over decades, then get ed when you actually need it. That's not even capitalism - it's outright fraud.

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    Nah it was 'Depose' 'Deny' and 'Defend', a reference to the book "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It"

    https://www.amazon.com/Delay-Deny-De.../dp/1591843154
    yeah, of course, but i'm talking about the inscriptions on the bullet casings

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    (to which I thought you had previously alluded)

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    yeah, of course, but i'm talking about the inscriptions on the bullet casings
    I was pointing out Delay wasn't one of the inscriptions; it got replaced by Depose. The other two Defend and Deny were from the book le.

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    I was pointing out Delay wasn't one of the inscriptions; it got replaced by Depose. The other two Defend and Deny were from the book le.
    of course

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    Deny, deny, deny -- and here is the result. I saw a graph somewhere (cannot vouch for its veracity) that UHC denied as many as 35% of claims. 35 in percent. Pay tens of thousands for insurance over decades, then get ed when you actually need it. That's not even capitalism - it's outright fraud.

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    for me the more compelling example is people being denied care and dying from it, as a business model
    Wonder if Thompson got denied care when he arrived at the hospital... "it's only a small hole in his back!"

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    Wonder if Thompson got denied care when he arrived at the hospital... "it's only a small hole in his back!"
    The gunshot was a preexisting condition before arriving to the hospital.

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    lol Reddit

    "This fatal shooting has been reviewed by a peer and is considered a non-covered experimental procedure"

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    One shooting and libs suddenly care about healthcare again

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