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Spurs have an entire team of non all star role players outside of Wemby.
well we dont need our highest paid player to be so inconsistent this much.We got alot of role players that do that.But thats the difference between them.
They are role players.Vassell is supposed to be our second best player.Just shows how bad this roster is,When our second best player is getting outplayed
by other role players like champ,sochan and rookie castle.
Spurs have an entire team of non all star role players outside of Wemby.
Kind of feels like a natural reaction after hearing Fox sounding like he might want out and Rich Paul wanting to steer clients to play next to Wemby when Vassell would be the most natural trade chip to get that deal accomplished. I worry the Spurs will hold onto him too long like they did with Keldon who now has minimal trade value. Vassell is far and away the best shooter on the team but his inability to stay healthy and him being a straight defensive turnstile make him a prime candidate for roster churn. I don't think we should really get attached to anyone outside Wemby and probably Castle in the middle of a rebuild.
People 115% will do this to Castle if Castle does not greatly improve his jump shot in the next two years.
Devin has gotten better since he started, but it’s arguably not enough to be super married to him. Keldon hasn't changed much from probably his third year in the league. I think spurfan is somewhat rightly tired/bored of players just hanging around Spurslandia and being great locker neighbors but not especially good hoopers.
Yeah James Anderson, he was looking solid until the injury although the metatarsal he broke is known as a career ender whereas the one Devin broke players usually come back from but it's still a tough injury for a basketball player.
Calm down. Vassell can stay.
I can live with him missing shots. The real issue is dump Champ making half ass passes and not protecting the ball after getting rebounds.
Devin does give me Kobe vibes when he has the ball. And I don’t mean that as a compliment.
Same with Beaubois.
"It's one game"
Oh yeah.
Castle being removed from the starting lineup was bogus.
I’ve never been high on Vassell and thought these last few years he was largely a product of his environment where he got more touches than he would elsewhere in the NBA. His one saving grace is he can at times be an efficient scorer when given touches. I don’t think he should be getting those touches as we build out this roster though.
I always thought it was laughable that he was deemed “untouchable” both by PATFO and this board. The real question is who actually wants him? I think his value is considerably less than what this board thinks.
Dev’s long term replacement will come from this draft.
I disagree that his contract is not an issue. Being paid the highest on the team gives him the green light to go into his Kobe mode. But, he pretty much needs a screen every time to operate. Not great for a scorer. Many of his shots just look like terrible shots historically but in the 3p era I guess it's sort of the new norm. I suppose it comes down to if his shots go in or not. That's what you get. Still, I see a huge disconnect between what he thinks his role is and what others think it should be.
I think Thibbs would love to have him. Cleveland would have been a great fit next to Spider, but they’ve committed to Garland (really wanted Garland here damn it). , he’d be awesome in Philly if that crew were whole, or Minni next to Ant.
Bottom line, I think there would be a number of teams that would want him. It’s the spurs who need to stop being so precious about him.
That's the pb with having a rookie coach who never played at the highest level.
A former player or more exp coach would have adapted his strategy or principles with what Castle showed that game
lol well one person has been saying he needs to learn how to play basketball better… but then I got called a hater by some and was told his bb iq is elite and the dude already knows everything about basketball…
btw this thread is hilarious. Never change Spurstalk
Right? It’s not like he’s finishing at the rim at 84%, or shooting 40% from beyond the arc, or anything. His Ts% of 59.4 is higher than Fox’s 58.1.
People been hating Vassell long before this latest news break.
I'm not going to lie, I thought that most of his struggles were due to playing on horrible team and having to do things he's not comfortable with.
This roster is supposed to be perfect for his role, he doesn't have to do anything other than not be a turnstile and take good shots, but he can't even do that.
I don't think he needs to go necessarily but I wouldn't keep him out of trade talks if the right offer presents itself. He is a poor man's Middleton at best right now and he hasn't shown a ton of improvement over the last 2 seasons. I know he's dealing with injury issues and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but him being made of glass is part of the problem
ONLY his fragility makes Devin expandable.
Basketball wise, you all need to chill the up
With a little bit of empathy, you'd be able to realize what he's going through since the start of the season and the importance for a player to know and be comfortable with his role.
Tbh I don't know what is his role and I'm not sure he does either, but he's still our best shooter and top4 player in this roster.
I've read some INSANE takes like he's expandable because... Champ can do the same for cheaper!
(I can't believe how much I defend a player I'm not even fond of)
As I said before, shooting guards who don't do much else than actual shooting are a dying breed in today's league.
They either need to be good creators or good defenders, just being the youtube highlights bucket getter doesn't cut it anymore.
There's not a single traditional shooting guard starting on top teams in the league.
Middleton averaged 5.5 assists in his prime and was a positive defender, not to mention he's 6'8.
Jamal Murray owes about 70% of his career earnings to Jokic.
Vassell is a solid and useful player on a very friendly contract.
His strengths are useful! You don’t find a ton of players who can score in the high teens on 47/40/82 shooting splits.
His weaknesses are also obvious.
He shuts down the offense sometimes, his defense is only ok, and he’s injured a lot.
He’s not a #2 and would ideally be the #3 offensive option behind two star players.
At only 15% or less of the cap in his last three contract years he is a valuable asset.
I’d be ok using him in a trade to acquire a star but we shouldn’t make a move just to “get ride of him” or whatever
This is my biggest concern with Vassell.
Is he perfect? No...all of our players can't be like MJ or Timmy out there.
But he has shown that he is a baller...a guy who can find his shot at all three levels. Every team needs those.
His biggest problem is that he can't stay healthy consistently which is hurting his progression.
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