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    For the fraction of the price of an H1b or similar visa sponsorship, they can just train already college-educated U.S. Citizens who are underemployed, may not have the right college major or whatever but they are U.S.
    Explain your math here. I'm not saying you're wrong yet, but explain the actual costs that you're considering to conclude that it's cheaper.

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    Poor Elon needs to take a beat and at least get his Les Grossman ripoff quote right.

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    H1B visas are a crock of when we have plenty of skilled and knowledgable Americans right here at home whom seem to train their foreign replacements. Get rid of H1B visas altogether!

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    MAGA crowd is angry because Trump and Musk are pro-H1B visas

    Dumbasses

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    I've always said it, "never trust a man with hair plugs!" Same goes for Elon and always has.

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    Sheeeesh this is shaping up to be a bigger crap show than his first administration and I didn’t think that would at all be possible lol

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    MAGA crowd is angry because Trump and Musk are pro-H1B visas

    Dumbasses
    Who's angry? If you're referring to me, not mad at all. I just always saw H1B visas as selling out America, nothing more, nothing less...

    LMAO "angry"

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    So what happens when Trump tells Elon he has to take a step back how is that gonna work?

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    Joey still can't bring himself to criticize Trump.

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    Who's angry? If you're referring to me, not mad at all. I just always saw H1B visas as selling out America, nothing more, nothing less...

    LMAO "angry"
    Selling out?

    no

    They are just a logical and pragmatic solution for unqualified fat s

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    Selling out?

    no

    They are just a logical and pragmatic solution for unqualified fat s
    Whatever you say...

    I say, kick all their asses out of the USA already and hire Americans already. Plenty needing work.

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    Tell your Trump that.

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    So what happens when Trump tells Elon he has to take a step back how is that gonna work?
    He doesn't have to. Musk is either in it for the long(est) haul, or, he's not. He'll know in 90 days.

    Trump has no governor this time. There is no more after this. That'll either free him, or, change him. 70-30 frees him.

    I'm on the lookout now for the "change him." I'd hate to see it, but, sure, I can envision it.

    He'd better free those 1-6 convicts, day 1...take the oath, go to the WH///Madonna permitting, free 'em, then eats.

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    I came on a H1B visa many moons ago, when Tata consulting wasn’t grabbing 75% of them. What these corp want are workaholics that have to leave their lives at work or not only get fired but deported if they don’t do that, as they’re not allowed to find a better job or position anywhere else and must work for the sponsor of the visa. That’s a huge leverage they simply do not have with American workers, especially the brilliant kind which will also not work for an average market salary.

    I work for a Fortune 100 company in Silicon Valley and there are incredibly talented people, including Americans. It’s a super compe ive job market and that’s why in cities like San Francisco, a 500k annual salary is dime a dozen. That’s really what companies want to get a handle on.
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    There’s no doubt Trump will cater to President Musk. He brought him back to the White House.

    Plus, theoretically it’s of little cost to him since the immigrants will go to sanctuary California, tbh

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    How is this going to be resolved, snacks?

    Trump already flipped and flopped. Will he flip again?

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    Trump backs H-1B visas, aligning with Musk on immigration

    “I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas,” Trump told the New York Post in a phone interview. He added, “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program.

    https://apple.news/A2mp3MM7yQ9KWcV0dDx1HOw

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    Trump bends the knee to President Elon


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    Would happily ship elons ass back to South africa

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    Lol what does America need saving from in this case? Low wage workers?

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    Imagine libs crying bc they can't drive tesla anymore

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    Explain your math here. I'm not saying you're wrong yet, but explain the actual costs that you're considering to conclude that it's cheaper.
    You only have to train the U.S. based employee once, and considering these are U.S. born U.S. Citizens with college degrees, chances are they are smart enough to learn at a >97% rate. And will have far better social skills, no language/accent barrier etc and actually be cultural fits in US work settings. Training isn't free, you have paid training, generally as part of their salary and employment, but it's a one-time thing and then you're rewarded with skilled, relatively loyal employees for life as opposed to India Indians who have zero loyalty and are always out with their resumes online looking for their next higher paid position on the phone with recruiters every damn lunch or bathroom break.

    Whereas, you have to keep paying each year for H1b sponsorship renewals, and it's typically $6000-10,000 depending on the case when you add up all the fees, looking at some basic USCIS data googling it. Some of the smaller fees don't have to be duplicated each year per employee/contractor but you have to pay the $4,000 processing fee annually plus the roughly $2,000 expedited fee if you don't want there to be an employment gap.

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