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Right, because the only Iraqis who have been affected by this war are the terrorists.
If you don't mind me asking, where do you get your information from?
You're insisting that our military doesn't terrorize anyone and I am the one who lives in ignorance?
Right, because the only Iraqis who have been affected by this war are the terrorists.
If you don't mind me asking, where do you get your information from?
Fallacy: Straw Man
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Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and subs utes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not cons ute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Examples of Straw Man
Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it."
Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."
"Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."
More bad logic from the right. Distortions and misdirection is the only way that conservatives can "think". If jocche REALLY thinks that Kerry thinks our soldiers are on the same level with the terrorists, then he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. IF he is just talking out his ass, well that is also par for the course.
Either way, I can only shake my head at the lack of rationality.
absolutely, that is what I am insisting.You're insisting that our military doesn't terrorize anyone and I am the one who lives in ignorance?
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Please don't shake it too hard, it might fall off, naw, it wont, it is stuck too far up your rear end. Like your rationalization.Fallacy: Straw Man
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Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and subs utes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not cons ute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Examples of Straw Man
Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it."
Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."
"Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."
More bad logic from the right. Distortions and misdirection is the only way that conservatives can "think". If jocche REALLY thinks that Kerry thinks our soldiers are on the same level with the terrorists, then he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. IF he is just talking out his ass, well that is also par for the course.
Either way, I can only shake my head at the lack of rationality.
Ahhhh, so conservatives can only be racist. Not dimm-o-craps. But I agree
with you to the extent that dimm-o-craps aren't racist, cause they oppose
any and all things that Republicans propose or nominate. Of course, then you have New Orleans and Louisiana. Run by dimm-o-craps and the people of color in New Orleans claiming that no one cared for them because they were people of color. How is that?
Tom all the way baby.
what a moron! terrorizing people doesn't make u a terrorist
Ahhh yes, the old ignore the facts, just keep pushing the same old
junk. Bush bad, Military bad, the US of A bad, tell everyone that
the war is bad. Ignore 9/11.
Bye the way, do any of you fine folks remember what day this is? Like
Pearl Harbor day. Another day of sorrow. Like 9/11 you all so conveniently
disregard or forget.
You make it toooooo easy. Are you doing it on purpose?
Let's try to keep the discussion to the issue at hand if possible.
Why would Kerry degrade or attempt to undermine the troops in the middle of a War, these men and women are putting their lives on the line every day!?
Can anyone offer a rational reason why he would make such a scurrilous statement and what benefit there might be in making it?
Does anyone believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said (other than bouts)?
And he wanted to be Commander in Chief?
Not to defend that Munster looking dude, but he said some Iraqi ppl were being terrorized by US Army. That is a fact. Ppl who terrorize are not necessarily terrorists. Anyone who actually beleives Munster was calling the Army terrorists is got serious mental issues and needs help.
Kerry is not Anti-American. He's just a puppet that gets his viewpoints from dust in the wind. He's a good man. But he has no backbone. Thank Goodness he didn't win. 60 million bush supporters vs 59 million bush haters.
Woohoo! Lets do it again in 08!
It's more than a distraction and the Republicans didn't bring it up, Kerry did!
If he's got them raping and plundering at homes in the middle of the night okay but they're not, they;re trying to locate and capture/kill enemy combatants before they kill them, anything wrong with that?
Maybe they should knock on the door and ask the lady or man of the house if they're harboring terrorists and move on if the answer is no...?
RandomGuy,
it just continues, i think that's the "ignore" part.
I intentionally over-emphasized to draw attention to another lame-brained statement by the wannabe C in C Kerry.
Justified war or not our soldiers are laying there lives on the line and we don't need a U.S. Senator making an asinine statement of that nature!
Politicians make lots of foolish statements but that one pisses me off more than most!!
Nice use of ad hominem which you have railed against in the past.Fallacy: Straw Man
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Everyone know about the strawman, how many times are you going to post this?Description of Straw Man
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and subs utes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not cons ute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
Examples of Straw Man
Prof. Jones: "The university just cut our yearly budget by $10,000."
Prof. Smith: "What are we going to do?"
Prof. Brown: "I think we should eliminate one of the teaching assistant positions. That would take care of it."
Prof. Jones: "We could reduce our scheduled raises instead."
Prof. Brown: " I can't understand why you want to bleed us dry like that, Jones."
"Senator Jones says that we should not fund the attack submarine program. I disagree entirely. I can't understand why he wants to leave us defenseless like that."
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."
More bad logic from the right. Distortions and misdirection is the only way that conservatives can "think". If jocche REALLY thinks that Kerry thinks our soldiers are on the same level with the terrorists, then he isn't as smart as he thinks he is. IF he is just talking out his ass, well that is also par for the course.
Either way, I can only shake my head at the lack of rationality.
If you had put even a small amount of time attempting to comprehend what it was I was getting at then you wouldn't have had to jump the gun with the strawman crap and the personal attack.
Thanks for putting your critical thinking skills to use!
THis is stupid to even give credit to. Random Guy just proved that he believes any bad generalization of the military.
Guess what, the military has killed innocents. Does that mean that they purposely engage in the slaughter of innocents? That's utter idiocy. John kerry has no facts to prove that soldiers and the military have been terrorizing innocent Iraqi's. Unless you count Abu Graib, you already lost the argument. Abu Graib was a terrorist detainee center and if you're easily led to believe that the detainees there are innocent as easliy as you believe the military terrorizes citizens, then you are just that. a moonbat.
Random Guy, you seemed to have sided with Kerry's statement that the military terrorizes innocents. You bring all of these stupid Tom TOmmorow cartoons to illustrate your point of how conservatives are shallow in your beliefs.
let me get this straight.
Cause:You blame the conservatives for using strawmen tactics.
Effect: You take the moral high ground by using Tom Tomorrow comics to boost your point.
Question.
Do you really think you're any better?
Let me see if you can actually have a take on this forum worth debating.
You sympathize with Kerry saying troops use terror tactics. Do you then by the same token call them terrorist?
I'd like to see you awnser that.
The comics show how conservatives lie and how they try to cover up for themselves, spin and change the subject. Dumb things, like when someone says we need to get our troops out of Iraq, all of a sudden "we're" against the troops and "how dare u insult the troops in this time of war". Because yall know that bs actually works on some ppl.
That's really evil, actually. To defend a bogus war, just make the ppl trying to bring our troops back home look like they are against our troops who are risking their lives for our great country. What a tactic. Talk about spin, talk about actually defending a view, side, argument or whatever u wanna call it with facts. You don't want to talk facts. If we talked about facts, u would spit only the truth and admit that this is a bogus war and we do have a dumb president.
Instead you resort to try and win an arguement by making fun of comics being posted. Just more conservative baloney to take away from what's really going on. Instead of really talking about the bogus war, u wanna talk about something Kerry said, which wasn't bad btw, and u wanna do this because u have nothing else. And the normal response to this would be to talk about my statement on what Kerry said was bad.
This is ridiculous. when Clinton did what he did with Monica, it was "hanging time" for Bill, constantly everyday, just because he got laid. Never let the issue rest. yall wanted his head.
There's some truth for u. there is a fact for you.
Have some decency for the ppl who have died, and if not for them at least be honest to yourself. This admistration and this dumb president got us into a mess. misled us, lied, yes lied as much as u don't like to hear it, he is a liar, and alot of ppl are dead. We are in bad hands right now. Usually at this time someone would say ,"oh if kerry were pres" whatever... or "Democrats don't even have a plan themselves.." If that's your response, then it further proves my point. Just pure Spin.
Man up, take the responsibility to say the truth. Stop the spin already. THIS administration screwed up. No matter what subtopics derive from politics, this fact still remains.
I am going to ignore your post, your full of hate.
Because that is the best u can do.
Otherwise you'd be namecalling or doing what i said you'd do.
typical ignorant responseI am going to ignore your post, your full of hate.
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