Who said more minutes?
But fair enough, Paul has maybe been forced to play more minutes than ideal, but he's been as efficient with A/TO as ever, still the best in the league. I think that's valuable to utilize to limit Vassell/KJ/bad possessions, but 3mpg isn't worth really discussing and Wemby obvi hides a lot of CP3 D short comings, so more time without Wemby could be very ugly.
I care more about ensuring CP3 is happy, BECAUSE we have the PnR Yoda on the same team as Fox and Wemby. Who cares, start CP3 Fox and have Castle sub in for CP3 6-7min in.
If CP3 cares about minutes, and/or starting, then give it to him. He’s more valuable to keep him here and teaching Castle Wemby and Fox.
Great point. Paul still has plenty to give. I'd also love to see CP3 as our future coach, but I never want to see Pop on the bench again so the timing may not be possible.
Poor wording on my part. Really I meant to expect similar minutes. Essentially with us being below .500
Sign CP3 to a two-year contract this summer and have him be a player-coach. Pop can be Coach Emeritus and do Zoom calls from his house.
you don't bench the rookie of the month
This one is an actual Legit Dilemma, but I think it's easily solvable!
1) I think you start CP3/Fox/Castle but then have a pretty quick rotation that effectively moves CP3 and Fox into a staggered role so that they only play around 5-10 minutes with each other, and the CP3/Fox/Castle trio only plays around 6-8 minutes with each other. This appeases any kind of ego issue that might exist with CP3, and keeps Castle starting while sending a message to Devin that his place on this team is not etched in stone.
2) CP3 running the bench unit might be exactly what the doctor ordered. He slows the game down considerably, and while added pace might be good for our starting unit, a slower pace might help us from getting obliterated in our bench units like is currently happening. CP3 can be that calming influence to weather these storms that come at us when Wemby sits.
Cp3 needs to be shipped to a contender with a thank you. It's time for Champagne and Castle to start. Barnes is the only non-re on the team, so he should be sixth man to stabilize the bench production.
100% agree. imo the starting lineup should be:
Fox
Castle
Champagnie
Barnes
Victor
bench unit:
CP3
Vassell
Keldon
Sochan
*serviceable backup C acquired via trade
Team would function much better imo
This my friend is truly an actual dilemma. CP3 made it clear he came here for playing time. He wants to not only play but have an impact after coming off the bench in GS.
I think he still starts and plays. Castle is likely the odd man out, unfortunately. That said, with how much of a turd Vassell has become, it's possible he comes off the bench and Castle starts. Just hate the "spacing" but Vassell isn't exactly a good shooter anymore so who knows. Will be very interesting moving forward.
there was also a lot of smoke about whether or not the spurs had a handshake agreement to send paul to a contender at the deadline, and his contract was actually specifically below MLE amount so he could hit the buyout market even for 2nd apron teams
Almost offered up this exact lineup, except I'd go ahead and start Sochan. With Fox and Castle in there with Wemby, there's really no scenario where Sochan should be trying to create offense or drive to the paint. He can focus on his strengths and work towards being an elite defensive player and rebounder.
CP3 can also teach De'Aaron Fox. I think it would be beneficial to have him stay.
I believe he really helped/played a part in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander becoming the player he is now with the tutelage he got from CP3 early on. He could help take Fox's game to another level. Victor and Stephon have probably already learned a lot, but I think he can also teach Fox some stuff too.
Why do people want Julian to start lol there's no chance a lineup with him is better than a CP3 Fox Castle, fit or otherwise. Castle is also not ready to be a ball handler PG, so we need CP3 and Fox to do those duties with Tre gone.
If CP3 is ok with coming off the bench that's ideal, but shipping him off causes more problems and solves none.
I guess I could see CP3 starting with Fox for a couple weeks until he gets his feet wet and is comfortable in the offense but I would like to see Fox-Castle-Vassell-Barnes-Wemby in the S5.
Because Julian is our only textbook shooter. Noone else has natural off the ball shooter's movements.
You don't need 5 players who can score 20 in the starting lineup, you need someone who's going to fill their role.
He averages 13ppg on 37% from 3pt as a starter and he's not a negative on defense.
Even if Devin goes to like 18ppg on 42% from 3pt which is highly unlikely, I'm not sure the difference would be worth it because it forces us into a 3 guard lineup and our defense gets way worse.
PATFO's long-term idea is obvious. A team with good size without defensive liabilities and everyone being able to shoot.
Fox/Castle/Champ/Barnes/Wemby is the only lineup that somewhat goes along those lines. Ideally you want to upgrade Champ and even Barnes, but I'd rather have worse versions of ideal solutions in the lineup than have players who don't fit role-wise.
Vassell needs to start concentrating on playing off the ball and shooting. I think playing off of Fox will greatly benefit Vassell. He's been asked to do to much offensively and he won't be in that position with Fox.
Same page club, with #2 being the biggest gainer.
CP3 slows down the pace, bad for efficient players Fox/Wemby (while they have fresh legs) but perfect for the Vassells/KJs. CP3 limits damage (including his own D liability) simply with his pace while improving the efficiency on O significantly.
Only nit to pick is shared minutes, if Fox plays 34mpg there's only 14 off-court, CP3 will have to spend 10+mpg with Fox, unless you think CP3 should only play 19mpg, a 35% minutes reduction.
I want CP3 at 28ish, Fox at 34ish, Castle & Vassel at 30ish, with Champ taking the remaining 22. CP3 plays every minute Fox is off, shares the court the other 14minutes, setting up the O and giving Fox/Wemby a breather which always them to push all-out for about 20 minutes a game.
I kind of see your point, but maybe I'm just not as high on Julian as some people. In my eyes he's not Danny Green or Derrick White where he can be a solid 3 and D guy that can live in a starting lineup, I struggle to see him getting more value for our Fox/Wemby pairing than CP3, especially knowing how well CP3 has matched up with other guards before.
I guess we'll see what Brian wants to do, but I guess to your point, hopefully he's willing to test some things out.
Especially when that rookie has averaged 17.7/3.8/4.4/2.5TOs on 46.8/34.7/72.5 splits on 4.6 3s, 4 FTa over his last 10 starts. He was almost that good filling in for Sochan injury time in his first string of starts being 15.1/4.2/3.2 as across 29 starts, but his 3pt shot is really coming around, at least the non-Sochan starters.
Castle is looking like he can be a legit #3 next year, assuming him and Fox can mesh. Vassell either becomes a spot-up, #4 option or he gets moved.
CP3, Fox, Castle, Barnes, Wemby <-- Best players on the team should equal starting 5
This is an awesome dilemma to have, we'll see how the players gel together.
And btw i truly hope we are able to keep cp3, i still believe having him is better for our team than not with his intangibles.
Good stuff. I haven't tried to fully breakdown a rotation pattern, but I think you've got it. My only thought is that maybe we scale Fox back to the 31-32 range to keep him fresh.
I wounder what would Manu say about this?
Team's success should always be the #1 priority, if someone has too big of an ego they're welcome to request a trade.
Even if that someone is CP3.
I fully agree with this, but I don't think it make sense to start both him and Fox and hinder Castle's development.This is an awesome dilemma to have, we'll see how the players gel together.
And btw i truly hope we are able to keep cp3, i still believe having him is better for our team than not with his intangibles.
As already said, CP3 would be perfect for the bench unit to slow the game down and get lower IQ players like Devin and Keldon into best possible positions.
With Fox/Castle/Wemby trio we have serious potential to run teams off the floor.
I'm kind in the Champ club as well, not becaus eI Think he's Danny Green but because I think Danny Green is the best archetype for what we need and Champ is the closest we have to it. I think if we have a rough facsimile, it may benefit us to play that way even if we don't have the right guy. Devin just brings a completely different playstyle (and not in a good way). Maybe Devin can adapt into the 3&D he was drafted to be.
Ehh Devin gets a lot of flack for his defense and deservedly so but Champ is not a good defender either. I've actually seen more effort from Devin on that side of the ball recently out of the two.
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