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    Let the motorists work it out. Many people already take public transportation because it's too congested. Many are willing to fight the traffic instead of getting thrown in front of subway trains.

    Congestion should ease a bit. Since 2019, approximately 160 business, taking thousands of employees and approximately $1 Trillion in assets, have left New York for less Blue pastures. At this rate, there won't be a reason for anyone to drive in Manhattan.
    You're simply wrong.

    Talking points don't help traffic congestion.

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    You're simply wrong.

    Talking points don't help traffic congestion.
    The motorists objected more to the fee than they do the congestion.

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    The motorists objected more to the fee than they do the congestion.
    In Morning Consult's survey of 1,200 registered voters, 6 out of 10 New Yorkers say President Trump should allow the controversial tolling plan to continue.

    Yoni is against states' rights.

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    In Morning Consult's survey of 1,200 registered voters, 6 out of 10 New Yorkers say President Trump should allow the controversial tolling plan to continue.

    Yoni is against states' rights.
    Okay, let them have their way then. Just not on federal roadways or with federal money.

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    Not really a dunk, anyway

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    Okay, let them have their way then. Just not on federal roadways or with federal money.
    Precisely.

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    Not really a dunk, anyway
    It's pretty impressive to someone who isn't drunk.

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    when more people ride the subway, criminals get shy

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    improvement in road safety clocked

    on a daily basis, more people ride the subway in the NYC-area than travel by air nationwide

    There has been a 51% decrease in injuries and a 55% decrease in crashes in the congestion relief zone compared to the same period in January 2024. Calmer streets are a win for parents, who rush home to make it to pick-up and dinner with the kids, which, in turn, builds stronger families and communities.


    Safety has not come at the expense of travel times. Early data from the initial month of congestion pricing in Manhattan shows reductions in traffic volumes and improved travel times. Since Jan. 5, the Holland Tunnel has seen an average weekday reduction in travel times of nearly 50% compared to last year. We are also seeing travel time savings beyond the river crossings — traffic on the Long Island Expressway is moving smoother near the Queens-Midtown Tunnel and even on Flatbush Ave. to the Manhattan Bridge!
    https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/02/...kes-nyc-safer/



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    tl;dr

    Daily drivers like it

    We’re 100 days into the era of congestion pricing, which began with cheers and a few rants very early on the morning of January 5. The statistics from January into March, both all-in-one and otherwise, are rolling in, and they show a trend that is clear and unmistakable: It’s working. There is far, far less traffic on the streets. A group called the Congestion Pricing Now Coalition — made up of a wide array of advocacy organizations that includes the Regional Plan Association, the Riders Alliance, Open Plans, the Nature Conservancy, and Transportation Alternatives — has done a nice job of marshaling the facts, and if you are even slightly persuadable, it makes a strong case. The Holland Tunnel, at rush hour, has 65 percent fewer delays than it did before, and the time it takes to get through is down 48 percent. In those 100 days, 6 million fewer cars drove into lower Manhattan than had done so a year earlier. In March, the decrease was 80,000 per day. In the congestion zone, we’re seeing half as many traffic-related injuries. The bus routes in Manhattan are so much less clogged that the drivers are being forced to slow down to maintain their schedules. (As a rider, I experienced this twice last week, and it was bizarre: a bus moseying along at 5 mph in a wide-open lane. Presumably the schedules will soon be retimed.) The diminished honking is a bonus.

    The cynic might call all of that a problem rather than a success, suggesting that Manhattan has lost 80,000 daily restaurant customers, theatergoers, and shoppers. How many of them took the train instead? It’s a little hard to judge, because year-over-year numbers are likely to incorporate some of the return-to-office shift, but the commuter lines are definitely fuller than they were. In January 2024, Metro-North carried almost exactly 5 million riders. In January 2025, it carried 5.3 million, up about 8 percent. The numbers on NJ Transit and the LIRR are higher as well — and in the case of the latter, they began to rise immediately after January 5, strongly suggesting that those passengers used to be drivers. Broadway-ticket sales are up, too, and the city’s Business Improvement Districts say they’ve seen 1.5 million more visitors year over year.
    Most striking of all, though, is that the biggest turnaround has been among a population you’d least expect: the people paying the toll really often. “There was a poll conducted by Morning Consult a few weeks ago,” Michaelson tells me, “showing that the program’s biggest supporters were those who drove into the central business district the most frequently.” “Really?” I ask. “Yes, yes, yes!” she says. “It was 66 percent supporting the program, of those who reported driving into the city multiple times a week.” Because cars are moving? “They’re moving. The people who oppose it are folks who live upstate or don’t come in. That was the experience that folks in London and Stockholm described to us beforehand,” Michaelson says: “that people oppose it until they see that the program is effective.”
    https://www.curbed.com/article/100-d...a-results.html

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    DOT accidentally filed their internal brief on the case

    The Department of Transportation and its Justice Department lawyers are at odds over their ongoing legal effort to axe Manhattan’s congestion pricing pilot program after federal attorneys accidentally docketed an internal memo outlining their concerns with the case.

    Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy announced plans to kill the program in February, calling it a “slap in the face to working class Americans and small business owners." Lawyers at the Southern District of New York are representing Duffy and the Trump administration’s Department of Transportation after it was sued by the Manhattan Transit Authority over Duffy’s demand to do so.

    But late Wednesday night, those Justice Department attorneys uploaded an internal letter to the public court docket in which they discussed how difficult it would be for Duffy to win the case.

    Assistant U.S. Attorneys Dominika Tarczynska, David Farber and Christine Poscablo wrote that “there is considerable litigation risk” in defending Duffy’s decision, which they said was “contrary to law, pretextual, procedurally arbitrary and capricious, and violated due process.”

    As it turns out, the 11-page letter, addressed to Department of Transportation senior trial attorney Erin Hendrixson and dated April 11, was uploaded by mistake. The Justice Department lawyers asked the court on Thursday to seal the filing, which they say is privileged.

    “Although the contents of the do ent have been made public in news reporting, the do ent was filed in error and should not be considered part of the court docket,” they wrote.
    https://www.courthousenews.com/disgr...on-department/

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    If only we could keep the poors from driving nationwide

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    Needing a car to exist is most of America is one of the biggest things keeping the poors down
    Maybe we can find a way to ban them from owning a car...for their own good

    Let them ride bikes

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    snacks really mad this is working

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    Trumplandia keeps losing in court



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    Judge Liman is a Trump appointee



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    another federal court rules that the Trump administration overreached its authority -- is breaking the law

    MTA's lawsuit against Sean Duffy will proceed

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...7159.132.0.pdf

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