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Fox is gonna be pretty great these next two seasons while Castle and Harper develop. I'd be surprised if he plays out the duration of the contract in San Antonio. But he'll still be a decent trade piece halfway into it tbh.
Maybe, but at least for the next few years, neither Harper, Castle, Bryant or any other player on this team is ready to get in to the playoffs or compete at that level. We got Fox for this exact reason. Harper talk is cute and all but people forget this isn’t Harper’s team, it’s Wemby’s. He’s not waiting another 4 years or whatever for some noob PG to git good.
Fox is gonna be pretty great these next two seasons while Castle and Harper develop. I'd be surprised if he plays out the duration of the contract in San Antonio. But he'll still be a decent trade piece halfway into it tbh.
I don't know about when it comes to that stuff my guy, not gonna pretend I do
Fox needs to up his 3PT% to at least league average now that he's getting this kind of money tbh. Or even 37% like his last year in Sacto.
Agreed, there's no telling exactly how good these players will be. No harm in locking up the real deal for the next few years.
Fair enough. I was hoping we'd see something like that: 2 years max, 3rd year flat, 4th year team option or declining. I didn't really expect it, but the buzz made me think something like that was possible.I don't know about when it comes to that stuff my guy, not gonna pretend I do
Not surprised by the outcome. Was probably part of the trade negotiations coming in.
Probably an overpay, but we still have to see how it plays out. Spurs have an insurance policy in Harper, but it's not like he could be expected to come in and be a starting PG for a playoff team in the NBA on day one. Even guys like Parker and Ginobili needed a few years to figure it out, and they'd been playing "pro" basketball in other leagues for years.
As the cap and salaries continue to rise, Fox's deal won't seem so crazy in the future, and could be moved if needed.
pay the man i said i said
Castle and Harper won't be better than Fox for the next couple of seasons at the very least.
Spurs can't waste away any more seasons, right now Spurs have the second longest playoff drought in the league, which is embarrassing.
Wemby will be an MVP candidate for the rest of his career and is ready to compete.
Fox is as good of a second option for Wemby as it gets, as we've seen from the small sample size they have together. It's just that Spurs need shooters around those two, which could still be an issue.
But to say Fox/Harper/Castle can't co-exist after watching this year's finals is just wrong.
The idea is obvious. Wemby will be the best rim protector in the league by some margin and a wing on offense. He's not a post player and he likely won't ever be one, which is a good thing because that's just asking for trouble with his build. He already has a lot of 3pt gravity and is the best vertical threat in the league, he'll get his 27-30ppg with ease.
Put two elite paint penetrators and two elite 3pt shooters around Wemby and it's over. It's that simple.
Obviously Harper and Castle will have to improve their shooting and Spurs will have to get better spacing from the wings over the next few years, but the roster is already taking shape.
With potentially three elite paint penetrators and relentless rim pressure for 48 minutes, Spurs will ran most slow paced teams off the floor.
If Harper exceeds all expectations and Fox outlives his second option role, then we trade Fox. Unless he suffers serious injuries, he won't be a negative asset, he's turning 28 this year and his prime has just started.
But we have at least three years before cap situation becomes an issue.
Castle's extension starts in 2028, Harper's in 2029. You don't trade away an all-star in their prime in 2025 because of something that could happen 3 years down the road.
Castle isn't projected to be a true point guard, his best case scenario is somewhat of a Jimmy/Jrue hybrid. And as I already said, the NBA is moving to two or even three ballhandlers on the floor together. As long as they can defend and shoot, having too many playmakers will never be an issue.
For me personally, bigger concerns are if Spurs will be dumb and give Sochan more than he deserves considering he's horrible on offense and if Vassell's contract will become a negative because he's really streaky and injury prone. Everything else is going according to the plan, imo. Hitting another jackpot with Harper doesn't mean Spurs should change the rest of their roster building strategy.
Does that mean there's less money for Sochan now? If so, seems like it's a W for Fox and the team as a whole.
He doesn’t need to do anything, he got the bag. We own the cow, no more negotiation.
Means that guys like Johnson, Vassell, and Sochan are basically playing for a job now.
I like them as people. They were fun to have on a rebuilding team. I also wouldn't miss any of them as players if they get moved.
They've had chances to prove their worth, and...well...they haven't.
Last edited by Dex; 08-04-2025 at 02:48 PM.
Not a bad deal at all if we actually draft correctly. le contenders have a main centerpiece, and all-star teammate, and role players who can defend and hit open shots. Spurs have 2 of the 3. The role players hitting open shots and defending are where we are sorely lacking. Carter is a great start. The sooner we ditch KJ and Vassell the better for the team. Tbh if Hailburton isn’t coming back I would offer the farm for Siakim.
As a great spur once so eloquently put it: "There's no pressure to perform"
Fox is a pretty elite fit next to Wemby. Sure, Castle, Sochan and Harper might not be great fits in between those guys but you have time to figure it out and can move off of any of them pretty easily.
If Castle and Harper hits then great, move Fox. It's not a Bradley Beal situation where he has a no trade clause or he's gonna be in his mid 30s halfway into the deal. He'll still be in his prime and can easily be moved
Like it or not, that's his market value. Fox is a max player.
Question is when the extension will be officially signed. If it's today or tomorrow, Fox will be eligible to be traded at next trade deadline. If it's after tomorrow, he won't be trade eligible until the end of the season.
Hate this, but let’s see if he can improve his torrid outside shooting
other than giannis becoming available im struggling to come up with any scenario where trading fox at the deadline makes any sense
I don't think there's any world where Fox is traded before next summer tbh.
Few things...
1) I don't think Castle is a lock to become some sort of all-star caliber guy. I'm excited to have him and hopeful for his future, but there's absolutely a real chance he never is the caliber of player that Fox is. It's not like he was some dominant rookie; he won ROTY in a very weak rookie class and had inflated raw stats due to injuries. I'm not trying to on him, but just saying that him being an all-star caliber player isn't some sort of certainty at this point.
2) The above pretty much applies to Harper as well. I'm super optimistic about him but you don't piss off Fox/go back on a verbal agreement because Harper might make Fox redundant down the road.
3) Let's take the best case scenario and assume both Castle/Harper are as good as we hope they'll be and in 2-3 years we're ready to move on from Fox entirely. He'll still be in his prime with 1-2 years left on his contract. As long as he plays at a high level the next couple of years then it really shouldn't be that hard to move him if that's the direction the team wants to go.
Obviously if Fox is super disappointing then the contract will backfire. That would be the case regardless of Castle/Harper being in the picture. If the Spurs view Fox as a borderline or legitimate all-star caliber guard (which they almost certainly do) then it'd be foolish to not go this route just because Castle/Harper might make him redundant in a few years.
From all the interviews I've seen, Fox seems like an intelligent guy.
Hopefully all these comments about him being a career loser and the extension not being worth it fuel a fire and he proves the doubters wrong.
There are people out there who actually think the likes of Garland, Lamelo, Murray and Harden are better players right now, ffs.
Why not?
Roll your best five players out there and change the game (like the Warriors did a few years ago).
I'm just glad the Spurs have someone on the roster, not named Wemby, that's worthy of the Max.
Because he's not worth this kind of money
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