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I'd rather be judged by 12 than hated by 6
Do you think the all non-Black jury would by intimidated by Tookie's appearance?
I'd rather be judged by 12 than hated by 6
Last edited by Oh, Gee!!; 12-09-2005 at 03:57 PM.
In the words of Aristotle - I don't agree with the State of California's opinion that Tookie deserves to die, but I will defend to my death their right to express it.
I know many of you don't like Sean Hannity, but if you go to www.hannity.com, you can read the actual do ents from the LA District Attorney regarding this case.
There was one black juror on the panel, and he voted guilty and he voted for the death penalty. This is on page 43 of the above-referenced do ent.
It's quite interesting reading - it actually has parts of the critical testimony and pictures of some of the evidence.
Commentary: And Then There Was Tookie
By MARC SAPIR
A small but vocal minority twists logic into a pretzel in its clamor for the death of Tookie Williams on Dec. 12. In contrast, the opposition to the execution stands upon a hierarchy of values and logic that digs deep into the positive side of America and repudiates the murderous side of our history. At the abolitionist base are folks, many of them religious, who believe that taking life, except in self-defense, is egregiously abhorrent. Because this view underpins the declared moral principles of civilization, when a cop kills someone who turns out to not have a weapon, the police plea is often that the officer thought the suspect was armed. That becomes the only acceptable public justification.
Beyond religious values opposing the death penalty, stand those who believe that killing by the State can only create or worsen a culture of violence, for the act of execution suggests that murder in cir stances other than self-defense can have a clear and useful social purpose. Which godlike figures get to determine those approved cir stances? Of course, it’s the politicians whom the public largely despises and mistrusts. Go figure. Included among death penalty opponents are people who recognize, as Michael Moore pointed out in Bowling for Columbine, that the murder rate in the U.S. is 10-200 times that in the many nations that have outlawed the death penalty. What? Executions preventing murder? The facts don’t jibe.
Up in the third tier of the opposition stand folks like Democratic Governor Warner of Virginia and former Republican Governor Ryan of Illinois...
Currently at the pinnacle of this pyramid is the Tookie Williams story....
In order to twist the retributive justice theme into some logical framework one writer argued that Tookie has been faking his transformation. Try to write a book and see what kind of effort that takes. It isn’t hard for me to appreciate the social value of a man who has published 9 books read by thousands of young people, hundreds of whom, as a result, then shunned gangs and violence. The movement to end the gang violence throughout California owes much to Tookie Williams. Folks who would negate that fact and not want him to be around to continue to help us reduce violence among youth pretend that the world divides easily into us—the God-fearing saved—and them—the condemned, like Tookie. But that thinking, often based upon puritanical teachings, doesn’t fit with their Bible either. In the origin myth God could have killed Satan, but whomever wrote the story knew that without having Satan around to define evil there would be no way to contrast what is righteous. Satan was cast down to and Earth (In the current storyline San Quentin is a good stand in for ).
Without Tookie, the gang war-lord responsible for much violence and conflict, there is no Tookie whose reconciliation theme proves to youth that we are all capable of being positive socially useful beings. It doesn’t really matter if Tookie Williams has been “reformed” in some abstract world of the self-righteous. His work stands for itself, and for all of us. Arnold: Killing Stan Williams would be, like invading Iraq, another act of collective self destruction for our nation and culture. Collectively we get what we work for, so we’d better save this man’s life if we intend to end gang violence.
~ Marc Sapir is an East Bay physician, writer and co-convenor of the April, 2005 UC Berkeley Teach-In on Torture. ~
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I vote for a 100 year sentence in a federal pound him in the ass prison.
No parole.
^^^ so Jesus-like
and who the are you? oh wait, i've owned your ass on this before...don't tempt me 210, i don't give a who's soup kitchen you worked in today, you ain't . just like i ain't . get it? got it? good. you get a cookie now.
u didn't own anything. tell yourself what u need to. You very hypocritical, that's what i meant and i still do.
sure i do. your my . i claim you.
and yeah i'm a hypocrite. so is the rest of ing humanity.
sue me.
I'm sure your creator is very happy with how u speak when using his name.
i'm sure he's happy that you think your doesn't stink.I'm sure your creator is very happy with how u speak when using his name.
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That means nothing Zak. I'm a sinner just like everyone else. But it's really bad to claim the things u claim about God, but yet use the "we are all sinners and not perfect" excuse, to use his name in vain.
are you my judge?
No, but Your judge knows what u r doing.
well then with issues regarding MY FAITH, i guess you should let HIM deal with it.
another scapegoat
you got me.
exactly
BigZak, don't stoop to her level now.
stay strong.
I too have hate, pride, and take s.
What about about your level Gtown? You act like very low class trash with no credibility.
sa210 is very smart. not too wise, but very smart.
Kill Tookie.
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