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If Jesus didn't write it, it's blasphemy!!![/biblethumper]
One of the most influential books of my life is Mere Christianity. I recommend it to everyone who is interested in learning more about Christianity away from Bible Thumpers who mistakenly try to convince you to believe something by basing it on something else you believe is false. Lewis goes about explaining why he became a believer from an atheist and why he finds it logical. And it's great for new believers as well. It defines what is Christianity, shared by all Christians, regardless of denomination.
Anyway, he is entirely thought provoking. Another one of great depth is The Great Divorce. And the third (rounding out my favorite books ever) is The Screwtape Letters. Very British, very witty, very shaking. Both fiction (make no mistake), but containing some very deep truths about sin and holding onto it.
If Jesus didn't write it, it's blasphemy!!![/biblethumper]
Here we go.....
You know another really incredible quote that completely floored me when I first read it, because of how deeply it resonated (and thus shook me)?
I have to paraphrase, because I don't have it in front of me. But it's in Book 2 of Mere Christianity, towards the end, where he finally comes to talk about Jesus. He says that there is often something entirely overlooked about what Jesus said, because he has been so controversial, that the most controversial thing he ever said was perhaps one of the most shocking things to be uttered in history.
"Here is a man, who is raised to believe in Judaism and the Judiac YHWH. That is, the one and only God of the universe. This man comes along and claims that he can forgive sins. Now, if you step on my foot, I can forgive you. If you steal my money, I can forgive you. But this guy comes along, and says that he can forgive you also. For stepping on my foot, himself unharmed. That could only be true if he was the injured party, as he would be *if he was God, who Judaism claims is ultimately the injured party in any sin*. So this guy who believes that there is one God, claims to be that God.
If he truly believes that, that makes him one of three things - a fool who believes he is Hitler or a poached egg, the very Devil of who tempts all men from God, or *what he claims to be*. And if he is not what he claims to be, then his other claims of modesty, humility, gentleness must also be thrown out in the wash. But we don't throw those out. There is so much crap about him being a 'good teacher' or a 'good man' but he cannot be if he is not what he claimed to be.
Therefore, he either is what he claims or he is not. That is the only choice. Yes or no."
That completely shattered me. That's why I love his books so much.
"anyone who actively seeks God can go to Heaven, even if they do not worship/accept Jesus."
This is news?
Requiring "acceptance of Jesus", or however the robotic cant goes, is only believed by the close-minded Jesus crowd. It's a cheap political scare tactic by the Jesus religious politicians to scare outsiders to get inside (and start hing), and to scare insiders to stay inside (and keep them hes coming). Some other religions have exactly the same politics.
Spiritual growth is available to everybody, and requires no affiliation with a "religion", Jesus brand religion or not.
Duff, don't get me wrong. The Bible is a wonderful book. It may be a Holy Book, it may be the Word of God. I don't care to argue the point either way.
But I've never understood why someone would approach a non-believer and wave a bunch of verses from a book the non-believer does not acknowledge to try and convince him of the truth (which I believe is the truth whether it comes from a book or not - after all, the first Christians did not have a bible to lead them to the truth). It's foolish, and God gave us brains for a reason.
Yeah, but it was said by one of your 'close-minded Jesus crowd' - that's insignificant?
Jesus said that no man comes to the father (and hence, heaven) but by him. That's led to a lot of debate about through the years about the state of people who are good people and religious people who do not believe that Jesus is the way to God. I find it fascinating to see how Lewis comes that conclusion and if it is the way I believe it is, I also believe it.
Which is NOT the same as all good people go to Heaven.
Sure spiritual growth is available to anyone, depending on your definition of spiritual growth. I'm not tryibg to convert anyone, just talking about one of my favortie subjects, which makes me happy and excited. You are as free as the wind is free to believe what you choose to believe. It doesn't affect me in any way.
Yeah so we can turn them to mush with drugs,alcohol, video games, and gambling...I love it!!!
Why don't you just save time and watch The Passion instead?
I did. I think this will be more fun, though.
No. I don't like the le. Who cares about a freakin wardrobe anyway?
The Lion and the Witch?
The cartoon was awesome. I can't wait to check this out.
saw it and it was just alright.
I thought it was alright. I hadn't read the books before, but I remember seeing the animated version years ago. I dug the special effects and the little girl who played Lucy was super cute.
I thought it was a very good movie, but thought Liam Neeson as Aslan was a poor choice as the voice wasn't believable to me. Also, too much computer animation. The original Star Wars movies get the right amount in.
Stayed close to the story, which was nice. Wasn't overly long. Overall, a few gripes, but nothing that really matters. Loved the books, but haven't read them in years. I'm thinking of rereading the series. I loved them as a child and preteen. Been over a dozen years since I picked them up, but I'm looking forward to restarting.
BTW, for those who have been discussing the symbolism of the series, great job. For those who gave the quotes, great quotes.
Anyone seen "Shadowlands" with Anthony Hopkins? Kind of boring, but a good film on Lewis.
Saw it last night. I wasn't overly impressed. The first hour dragged alot. The director was clearly trying too hard to drill the grandeur of the realm into the audience's brain. Wide shot after wide shot of big, sweeping landscapes accompanied by big, sweeping music. No me gusta. Which is a shame because it was very visually appealing when they weren't trying to cram it down your throat. The other timewaster was that the amount of time spent building suspense. I suppose that the film is aimed at children so maybe it got them on the edge of their seats, but honestly, it's a Disney movie. I'm pretty confident that when kids are slowly...creeping...into...the...wardrobe...that nothing is going to jump out and eviserate them, so instead I sat on the edge of my seat wanting to yell at the screen in frustration at some points.
The kids didn't exactly impress me either. They had their moments, but all in all I found their performances kind of weak. But the voice work was spot on for the animals, and the action sequences were very well done. The movie was clearly targeting a much younger crowd than me, so I'm willing to forgive most of the problems I had with it. If you have kids this is a good one to take them to. Lots of action without any real violence.
Probably the funniest part of the whole experience was the group of four thugs who came in and sat down and then practically ran out of the theatre during the previews when the figured out that they probably weren't showing "Curious George" trailers before "Get Rich or Die Trying".
Fiesta sucks
cause you saw it at Fiesta
just saw it
good film, pretty accurate from my accounts.
I thought the voices were also very well done, it was kind of hard to pick out who was who, although I spotted Liam Neisson pretty quick.
Also the person that went with me was fabulous, had a great time with her, must do it again!
I had a great time as well.....I really thought the voice of the red fox sounded like Billy Zane...close but it was someone else. I liked it when Keda leaned forward in his seat during the battle scene which I thought was good CGI effects for the Fauns, Centauris, Aslan, etc.
What what? She was cute with her little buck teeth!
I think the fox was Rupert Everett.
The credits stated the actor's name is Sim....something- something.
Here you go...
I love IMDB.COM!
Cast (in credits order)
Georgie Henley .... Lucy Pevensie
Skandar Keynes .... Edmund Pevensie
William Moseley .... Peter Pevensie
Anna Popplewell .... Susan Pevensie
Tilda Swinton .... White Witch
James McAvoy .... Mr. Tumnus
Jim Broadbent .... Professor Kirke
Kiran Shah .... Ginarrbrik
James Cosmo .... Father Christmas
Judy McIntosh .... Mrs. Pevensie
Elizabeth Hawthorne .... Mrs. MacReady
Patrick Kake .... Oreius
Shane Rangi .... General Otmin
Brandon Cook .... Boy on Train
Cassie Cook .... Girl on Train
Morris Lupton .... Train Conductor
S y Edwards .... Distraught Mother (as S ey Edwards-Bishop)
Susan Haldane .... Distraught Mother
Margaret Bremner .... Distraught Mother
Jazin Hall .... Soldier
Terry Murdoch .... German Pilot
Katrina Browne .... Green Dryad
Lee Tuson .... Rumblebuffin the Giant
Elizabeth Kirk .... Hag
Felicity Hamill .... Hag
Kate O'Rourke .... Hag
Sonya Hitch .... Hag
Lucy Tanner .... Hag
Tiggy Mathias .... Hag
Greg Cooper .... Faun
Richard King .... Faun
Russell Pickering .... Faun
Ben Barrington .... Centaur
Charles Williams .... Centaur
Vanessa Cater .... Centaur
Allison Sarofim .... Centaur
Alina Phelan .... Centaur Archer
Stephen Ure .... Satyr
Sam La Hood .... Satyr (as Sam Lahood)
Ajay Ratilal Navi .... Red & Black Dwarf
Bhoja 'BK' Kannada .... Red & Black Dwarf (as Bhoja Kannada)
Zakiuddin Mohd. Farooque .... Red & Black Dwarf
M. Ramaswami .... Red & Black Dwarf
Praphaphorn 'Fon' Chansantor .... Red & Black Dwarf (as Prapaphorn Chansantor)
Nikhom Nusungnern .... Red & Black Dwarf
Doungdieo Savangvong .... Red & Black Dwarf
Rachael Henley .... Older Lucy
Mark Wells .... Older Edmund
Noah Huntley .... Older Peter
Sophie Winkleman .... Older Susan
Liam Neeson .... Aslan (voice)
Ray Winstone .... Mr. Beaver (voice)
Dawn French .... Mrs. Beaver (voice)
Rupert Everett .... Fox (voice)
Cameron Rhodes .... Gryphon (voice)
Philip Steuer .... Philip the Horse (voice)
Jim May .... Vardan (voice)
Sim Evan-Jones .... Wolf (voice)
Douglas Gresham .... Radio Announcer (voice)
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