If I were KG tonight, I would have played harder than if I were Duncan. But that's just me.
Look at who Minnesota fielded on the floor tonight.
Spurs had Horry support the mid-2nd quarter offense.
Minny does not have that option. They played wally, jaric, hudson, garnett, and carter for most of the 3rd quarter.
THEY PLAYED WALLY AT POWER FORWARD (which gayly enough panned out in their favor....)
Naturally KG would give more effort.
If spurs hit their free throws tonight this is a ing blow out.
Spurs are that in good.
I think there's better odds that the best defensive 3pt fg% team doesn't give up 8 of 13.
McCants doesn't play, this is at least a five point wolves win, he was that bad on defense.
Yeah! Better support the Hawks...
Being given a shot in your foot does not qualify as being injured. That's irritates me when people use the most minor injuries as excuses. Ever heard of Isaiah Thomas? He played on a sprained ankle. Duncan's "injury" is more mental. He needs to be able to step up his game whenever it's needed. Sometimes he just flakes out on us and somebody just happens to save his butt examples:in the finals it was Horry today it was finley. If he keeps playing soft like he did today, even the coaches won't vote him into the ASG.
thats a HORRIBLE list. aside from marbury no one on that list is a "true" all star and you know it. garnett never did get a fair shake on a supporting cast. the one year he did, he almost went to the finals. it IS a fact
Awesome post, you are 100% accurate. KG played great Timmy did not big deal, i just hope this plantar whatever does not affect him for a long period of time. I mean he was great against the Clips but he did look sluggish to me tonight. They were posting their head to head career and it was a little in favor of Tim heading into this game tonight anyway, so lets not act like KG is so much better than TD after tonight. I remember when we played them last year at home and TD had like 28 and 16 and Kg had a night like Tim did tonight. Everyone on the board was all yeah TD is the man Kg sucks. So many people here can be so fickle.
...And this is why you're not a GM. Yes, let's base everything on one of the few times TD is vastly outplayed by KG. Yes, KG is great, but there is a reason Tim wins. He makes his team better. Sure he's had better supporting casts, but KG hasn't exactly had a bunch of scrubs his whole career on his team. He had his chance to get to the finals when SA was already out and blew it. He can be MVP for the regular season every year for all I care.
Your screen name is Tim Duncan Fan and this is the that you write about him. How long have you been a Spurs and a TD fan since last June.
exstatic, debreiden-Just because I dont ride on Tim's nuts, it doesn't mean I'm not a fan. If a guy punks out ands plays like a little boy in a man's game then he should be criticized. It's just like when a player does well and people say he is great,
HOMERISM IS BAD!
But anyway, if not having rose-tinted glasses about a player means you're not a fan of that player then you are correct; I am tim_duncan_non_fan.
Then WTF is a "true" All Star? EVERY one of those players went to the ASG (last time I checked, that WAS the criterion for being an All Star) when playing with KG. It's not like they're Lakers and coasting in on big market coat tails.
Tim has had:
Dave - a couple of times
Manu - once
and he's done a LOT more than come close to the Finals.
Garnett is weak.
Like i've stated before, Duncan is too passive. Massive parts of game you'd think he wasn't even interested in puttin the ball in the basket.
During a stretch in the 4th, he got frustrated, and decided to go at Garnett.
He did so for three straight possession, which , surprise surprise, lead to 3 straight fouls on Garnett. WTF was he doing the rest of the game, when he could've had KG sittin on the bench fouled out loooooooooong time before the home stretch
Tim Duncan Fan????....yeah right. Dude get your trollantics out of here. Ya poser
This is typical of the Garnett/Duncan matchups. KG gets over on Timmy occasionally; Timmy gets over on KG occasionally. Generally, the two guys have similar numbers.
I've maintained for years that the biggest difference between the 2 is what happens when things matter most. I'll never forget the end of Game 1 of the 2001 series between the T'Wolves and Spurs. In the last minute of the game, the Spurs were down one and needed a bucket in the worst way. They got the ball to Tim, who made a play and scored. On the ensuing possession, T'Wolves down by one, they got the ball to KG who .... passed the ball to Dean Garrett.
At the time T'Wolves supporters argued that KG was too tired to take that shot; but Garnett played 45 minutes in that game; Timmy played 46. And it wasn't from "carrying his team," either: KG had fewer shots, fewer rebounds, and fewer blocks. He had 2 more assists and 2 more steals.
In the end, Tim had accomplished more than KG and, when it mattered most, had what it took to take and make the big shot that KG backed away from.
I still think THAT series of plays is the difference between those two guys.
Well that's pretty damn stupid of you then, both guys have taken and made big shots in big games, both guys have also been unselfish and passed to their wide open teammates and trusted them to make those shots.
I guess Michael Jordan doesn't have what it takes because he passed to John Paxson in the Finals instead of taking the shot himself.....
I agree that homerism is bad, but referring to the statistics and playoff wins is hardly homerism. There is a reason that most people would rank Hakeem ahead of David in terms of all-time centers, despite MANY regular season ass-kickings Dave put on him that were earily reminiscent of what Garnett did to Duncan tonight. Just the other day, Webber KILLED KG, posting a 20-20 game on him. Do you think Webber is better than Garnett? Amare averaged 37 against Duncan. Is he considered better though? Not by most, not yet, at least.
Garnett is a great player. He is probably a better basketball-athlete than Tim. But ultimately, greatness comes down, in a large part, to reliability, and back-to-the basket post players take higher percentage shots and are more reliable in crunch time than players who rely on athleticism. That is a huge reaon Tim makes his teammates so much better, and why most would take him over Garnett.
If Garnett is weak then.....
Wow! What the is strong? I mean he's at least as good as TD. I used to deny it too, but after tonight how can people, even homers, still deny that KG is at least on par with TD.
By the way folks, this game is going to help ruin TD's chance to be an All-Star this year(not that he'd mind at all) cause he's already behind in the voting. Stupid T-mac lovers are keeping him from starting.
quit playing fantasy hoops baby! or better trade Duncan in your lineup...
You know it is going to be mighty funny one day when Timmy is retired and the Spurs are 20-62, all the TD haters will be kissing Tim's ass then.
ajh-amare never outrebounded Tim by 12, and during the phoenix series Duncan was actually hurt a little, unlike tonight. And about the Hakkem Dave stuff-
In this last championship it was more because of Bigshot and Manu that we won. Duncan was great but down the stretch in games I felt like he flaked and if it wasn't for Bigshot Rob...well you know what would have happened.
I'd be curious about the examples of KG hitting big shots in playoff games, but that's a conversation for another time.
My point is a direct comparison of the 2 in that moment. Tim's team had to have it, gave it to him, and he did it. KG's team had to have it, gave it to him, and he passed up the shot.
The Jordan comparison is ridiculous. It's one thing to pass out of a difficult shot to find an open teammate. Garnett's pass -- for which he was roundly criticized by the media -- was from a good look in the lane to a guy who was pinned by David Robinson. If you think that's the physical equivalent of Jordan's passes to Paxson or Kerr, I'm not going to change your mind. But my recollection is that Garnett had a look that was every bit as good as Timmy's but gave up the ball.
I've not ever tried to imply that KG is horrendous or that he doesn't match up to Tim statistically. KG is a great player and I actually enjoy watching him play. But in my opinion, there is a significant difference between those guys in big-time pressure situations, and I think that moment sums up that difference -- even if you disagree.
poser,poser,poser, Timmy goes for 25 and 15, oh man you are awesome i love you. Timmy goes for 15 and 9, man TD you suck go home you are a soft ass player. Tim Duncan fan my ass get lost head.
3 nights ago, Webber outscored Garnett by 8 and outrebounded him by 14. Still, I would never consider Webber as skilled as Garnett. I actually like KG.I think he's great, and I think he has had weaker supporting casts for the most part than Duncan. But again, a smart GM would always choose consistent post play over athleticism, because it opens up the court in so many ways, and is more sustainable and consistent. A Duncan-led team, would never miss the playoffs either. Put Tim on the Wolves of last year, they would make the playoffs, not because one is "better" than the other, but because Duncan's consistency and reliance on skill and footwork is more reliable over a season or series than reliance on athleticism. And one on one matchups during the season rarely matter in terms of greatness. Garnett had his stuff going tonight. Great for him. He has to sustain greatness in a playoff series, to WIN, not put up stats, and achieve team success, and then I'll consider him in Duncan's league.
he was fresh off his painkiller shot to the foot 48 hours ago.
Oh, and while I'm unwilling to accept the "you know what would have happened without Robert Horry's shot" argument, even if we HAD lost that series without him, we would STILL have been closer to the le than Garnett EVER has in his career.
tim is a better post scorer and defender than garnett. he also has more of everything that matters.
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