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Billups does this as much if not more than Tony.He's inconsistent, one game he scores 20 21 points the other 12 or 13...what's up with that?
Is he inconsistent?
And yet...
Billups does this as much if not more than Tony.He's inconsistent, one game he scores 20 21 points the other 12 or 13...what's up with that?
Is he inconsistent?
Of course you are a troll and I have no respect for you.Firts of all, I'm not a troll, if you want respect, give respect..So if he's not the 1st option he doesn't have to be consistent.About your question I think is becuase Billups is getting his teammates a bigger role this season..
We have so many good players that not everything runs through Billups anymore.
parker is averaging 20ppg. x factor doesn't seem to understand some basic mathematical concepts. you find out an average by adding all of the points scored in games, then dividing by the number of games played. so, a player can average 20 ppg by scoring 12, 28, 24, 16... and so on.
speedy was not with the spurs last year
2003 TP was 21
2004 Billups was 28 when he was 21 he made his first season with 11.1 pts and 4.3 ass
please compare what you can compare
A PG become very good when he's 25 or 26 so Tony can progress
this year Tony and Chauncey are great and consistant
I think they must be all star
The thing about Billups, he's not the clear cut 1st option.
If Hamiltion is on then of course Rip will take the majority of the shots. Leaving everybody else with less points.
There were a couple of games where Rasheed was playing well (points wise) and everybody else wasn't.
I think you should take into account other people's points during games if you're going to critique Billups, I mean they're like the Spurs, they have so different options that it will be hard for 1 person to be the statistical leader.
he did?
he was more constant then alot of the pistons
what happened to sheed wallace?
last I checked pistons lost not spurs
man TP is only 23, look how Billups was a at this age!
TP is way better than Billups at the same age.
TP said recently he wants to play in the NBA until he is 35-36 years old just like Sam Cassell. If he keeps the level he has risen to, he can beat some records. (thinking of the most playoff games played in a career)
Not only is Tony scoring, but he is assisting (6.1), stealing (1.3) and rebounding (4.0).
20/6/4 is approaching a level of all around goodness that you can't help but love.
Tony is 7th overall in RPG for a PG whilst playing less MPG than everyone in front of him.
He is only 14th overall in APG for for PG's, but that is slowly rising and we all know how the Spurs offense isn't the most conjusive to assists. All but 4 of those above him play more minutes.
He is 3rd in scoring behind AI and Arena's, who obviously shoot a lot more than Tony, but never the less, are obviously better scorers too and score a lot more PPG. They also play far more minutes than Tony, but it is easy to see they are elite scorers.
Tony is 1st in FG% by a huge margin. No one is even close.
Bottom line is that the consistency issue (which hasn't been that great of a problem for about 12 months now) has pretty much dissapeared. Opposition fans claiming inconsistency are either ed in the head or do not watch the Spurs enough. And before anyone says stats lie, well I watch the games, and these ones don't.
Good post, MI21, as usual.
I've said repeatedly that when Spurs fans complain about Tony's "inconsisency" it's because they don't watch enough basketball outside of the Spurs.
For example, this season, Billups has six games where he scored 14 points or less for the Pistons. Tony has only four games where he scored 14 points or less for the Spurs.
Look around the league. All point guards (no, all players) are up and down. They are human beings, not machines.
Parker hasn't been inconsistent at all this season. His turnovers are a little high and his outside and FT shooting are still shaky, but that is nitpicking. Tony is playing to his strengths like previous seasons, but capitilizing on them consistently more thus far in 2005.
The inconsistency I think stems from his past playoff performances. He flirted with near greatness as a PG in a few games in EVERY single playoff campaign, but he also had a few horrible games at crucial times to follow up that really shouldn't have happened to the degree they did. A lot of times he ends up with decent FG %'s in many playoff games, but he takes a lot of shots and makes little FT's or 3pters, which means he isn't really all that efficient unless he is scorching from the field. But so far this season, he has been so hot scoring wise, it doesn't matter if he shoots 50% from the line.
Think of games where Manu is 4/10 from the field but like 9-9 from the FT line (with 2 baskets being a 3pters) for a total of 19pts on 14 1/2 scoring possesions -- this is more efficient then a 6/12 FG shooting game with 2-5 from the FT line or something like that, where the player gets 12pts on 14 1/2 scoring possesions. The %'s look nice for Tony and so-so for Manu, but it is deceiving if the player doesn't get to the line or hit three pointers.
There is a stat for this kind of thing called True Shooting Percentage (which is essentially points per possesion, factoring 3pt shots, regular FG attempts, and FT attempts). This is much more accurate then pure FG%.
This season Parker has the highest True Shooting % of his career at 57% (averaged around 51-52% in years past), and is scoring at a much higher rate per minute then ever. I hope he keeps it up, because he is playing like a Top 2-3 PG thus far. Billups might be the only PG I think is clearly playing better right now. Arenas might be on the same level thus far -- after that Steve Nash and Chris Paul are probably playing a little below these guys.
I think Parker will always get roasted after every game he lays an egg and this knee jerk reaction is mostly due to his erratic playoff play. He just needs to maintain this high level of play in the playoffs to get the respect that Manu got last playoffs. Parker is capable of doing it, and is probably the second most talented Spur (at least offensively) -- but he has to do it consistently in the playoffs and keep it up for the rest of this regular season. I gauruntee he will get the respect he deserves (All Star), and when and if he maintains his all star level play in the playoffs. I hope Tony can do it. He has the talent to be a Top 5 PG for years to come, but it's up to him to capitalize on it. He has great teamattes that make it a little bit easier for him to be efficient on offense and effective on defense (and he makes it easier for them as well). So this is the time for Parker to stamp his consistent All-Star game and talent on the NBA.
So far he has answered the call. Keep it up Tony. You are the difference between this team barely winning the le or losing it AND winning it convincingly while helping this team find its maximum potential.
Last edited by Nikos; 12-19-2005 at 10:53 PM.
:00.9 DET - C. Billups misses an 11-foot jumper along the left baseline
OUCH HE COULD HAVE WON IT FOR PISTONS!
KArma is a piston fan daring a spur fan comparing tp to him
You were saying ducks?
Billups 30pts 9asts 0turnovers and the game winning shot. Not bad.
And yet he did win it for the Pistons...
30 pts, 9 A and the key stat...
0 TOs in 45 minutes
EDIT: Nikos and I think alike...
no assist in either overtime
the last 2 minutes he was clutch in second over time one big three and the game winner
rip got him to that point
damon was more clutch in overtime then billips
unfortunately you forgot hawks, HORNETS >>>>>spurs
I have been saying for a while now that Tony is the second best player on the spurs, and by far the most explosive. If tony continues to play at this level i think you guys will see what i mean (for those who dont already agree) tony has historically keyed the spurs in the playoffs when they are successful, as in when parker plays well the spurs do well. The problem has also been that refs dont respect him that much, or just dont give a .
In 04 Karl Malone hit tony like he was a professional wrestler, in the denver series...well jesus who didnt hit all the spurs guards like they were rag dolls. Manu can finish through that because he is a bigger guy, but tony is my size, and i cant imagine finishing a layup after getting raped by Marcus camby.
You pistons fans know that your bigs beat the out of tony and werent called for it too, so dont pretend to be ignorant.
And Bowen clutched, grabbed and held Billups and Hamilton.
What's your point?
Are you trying to say Bruce Bowen is the best defender in the league?
Anyhoo, comparing Billups and Parker is a pretty hard thing to do. They rely on different strengths and have somewhat different mindsets towards the game. The one glaring difference is that Parker is still only 23 and at the very worst he is slightly less of a player than Chauncey. Parker's prime is probably going to be in 2 years or so and last untill he is around 30ish.
What we are seeing from Billups right now is his prime. He has had the years in the league to develop his jumpshot, playmaking, decision making and all around game. What we are seeing from Tony right now is the maturation from him going from being a young player turning into a seasoned player heading for his best years. I'm sure when Tony is 28 he is going to have a far better jumpshot, be a more heady player and just generally more composed.
I'm not saying that players have to be the same age to compare them to each other, but a 5 year age gap is huge. Chauncey is the better player at the moment, but even by the end of this season, that could be no more.
PS - Can anyone believe that Parker is still only 23? If only the Spurs had of traded for Payton
Not totally. If I recall he played some pretty good D on Hamilton. Specifcally Game 5 after Horry's infamous trey. Tony was on Rip like a hawk and prevented Rip from from providing any Piston miracle. I wouldn't measure Tony's contributions strictly on PPG.
ed in the head.And last year Claxton wasn't there, but Parker disappeared anyway.
Game 1 - 15 points (7/17FG), 4 rebounds, 3 assists in a demolition of the Pistons. Obviously played his role solidly in this game. Chauncey had a good game also.
Parker - 1 The X-Factor - 0
Game 2 - 12 points (6/9FG), 2 assists, 1 rebound in only 28 minutes during another demolition of the Pistons. Held Chauncey to an average game.
Parker - 2 The X-Factor - 0
Game 3 - 21 points (8/16FG), 4 assists, 2 rebounds in a big Pistons win. Just about the only Spur to show up in this game. Chauncey had a very good game.
Parker - 3 The X-Factor - 0
Game 4 - 12 points (6/13FG), 4 assists, 4 rebounds in a huge loss. One of only 3 Spurs players to do anything, although nothing outstanding. Chauncey had a good game, nothing outstanding either, just average.
Parker - 4 The X-Factor - 0
Game 5 - 14 points (7/15FG), 3 assists, 2 rebounds and most importantly the Defense on Rip was suffocting. Didn't even come close to hitting a game winner. That defense was as good as hitting a shot to win a game. Chauncey had a beauty, but Tony wasn't terrible. Spurs win a tight one.
Parker - 5 The X-Factor - 0
Game 6 - 15 points (7/15FG's), 5 assists, 2 rebounds. Solid game, Chauncey with a nice performance as well. Detroit win a surprsing one with solid performances across the board.
Parker - 6 The X-Factor - 0
Game 7 - 8 points (3/11FG's), 3 assists, 2 rebounds. Not one player scored on Tony for 47 minutes and 50 seconds. Considering he guarded a mixture of Billups/Hamilton, that's ing amazing. Needless to say, neither Billups or Hamilton had good nights, so Tony did a job.
Parker - 7 The X-Factor - 0
There we have it. 7 games that Tony showed up in, not 7 games Tony dissapeared. We all know that Tony was outplayed by Chauncey badly sometimes, but he did not dissapear. He contributed in every game, one way or another. He realised when he wasn't scoring well, and didn't jack up 18/20 shots, instead letting Manu take over like only few can do
Considering the Spurs essentially had no backup PG (Udrih couldn't bring the ball up), Tony did a solid job for the series. Perhaps thinking about things, and reliving what happened that series would be a smart idea before posting utter bull . Bring a solid take next time, for the sake of the forum.
Disappear? Yawn ... At 23 years old Billips was again leading his third of five teams to nowhere while averaging 13.9Pts & 3.8Asts. At 23 years old Tony has two Rings and is now statistically among the NBA's best PG's, as he leads a Championship Team bringing; 20.1 Pts. & 6.1Asts per game.
Career wise, Billips will most likely be a small bump in the road compared to the eventual greatness of Tony Parker.
I really hope you are not stupid enough to try to compare the greatness Billips to Parker. Billips is an average player with average career production who is now in the midst of his prime. Parker is a 23 year old budding superstar who has SIX years to improve before he is Billips current age and in the midst of his prime. Still, with Billips in his prime, at the best he will ever be, Tony's production at 23 is certainly at comparable levels, despite your displayed bias and ignorance.
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