The F-22 Raptor is Now Operational

[Cant_Be_Faded]

haven't loads of people died while testing the osprey and its considered by some to be unreliable as of yet

[mookie2001]

just about everyone here who has posted so far is a moron.
first off the osprey owns the f22. lol.
secondly and all the way to whatever number my points end in. i ahve seen the f22 up close and personal. that thing is badass. it is designed for all the services, usmc, navy and air force. i leave out the army bc the army doenst use or have jets, at elast not fighter jets. the f22 has stol capability, it cannot take off verticlaly like the harrier, which is a piece of and cant even do that vertical takeoff fully combat loaded, but can do short takeoff runs. it is highly stealthy but not as much as the actual stealth aircraft we have such as the b2 and f117.
the aircraft it is primarliy meant to replace the f15, the f15 is from the ing 70s. it will also replace the f18s eventually which themselves are getting kinda old. the russians, if we didnt have the raptor would have the most advanced figher jet in the world and even with the raptor there is debate over which one is better. we simply cannot sit by and let other countries, even if they are allies right now, build better aircraft/military weapons than we have. the raptor will replacde the 15 for sure and most likely the 16 as well, so its a 2 for one deal. and the fact that it can cruise over mach one without afterburners is crazy. the 16 at full afterburner and extra fuel tanks will go thourhg its fuel in less than 1 hr.
also i could be wrong but i dont htink the raptor is operational yet, so no it wont be being rusehd to iraq. the war in iraq is not an air war and im pretty sure right now its primarily marines in iraq right now. i know that in may the raptor wasnt operational and was still in testing phase and i would be shocked if it went from pure test to fully fleet operational in only 7 months. \
and lastly club alienn, i dont think tha tlockheed martin, boeing, northrop grumman or mcdonnel douglas own any of the others.
feel free to correct me on any thing you feel to be wrong.

holy yall got owned

[Vashner]

At Brooks I worked on some of the crew protection projects the F22 warfighters outfit with. At the time we freaked out on how many G's they would be pulling. Our centerfuge was only 6 max.

[chode_regulator]

holy yall got owned

[chode_regulator]

haven't loads of people died while testing the osprey and its considered by some to be unreliable as of yet

negative. in comparsion to other aircraft that at the time were experimental, i.e. the f16 and f14, the osprey has crahsed far fewer total number of times and also fewer per capita of aircraft to aircraft crashed.
there was a crash that killed 24 marines but that was bc there was a full load of grunts in the back at the time of the crash. of the 4 crashes i think 2 maybe even 3 were linked to pilot error not aircraft.
we have not had a crash or anythng close to it since 2001 and have achieved 5000 flight hours on the new platform. this thing is capable of much more than has been shown already and is the wave of the future. it ownt be long now til the civilian world comes out with their own version. google the bell 609.
the osprey is the future of the marine corps and is one of the most advanced aircraft ever. the technological aspect of the machine is mind boggling. everyone who flies on it has nthing but praise for the aircraft and people who come over from other platforms are truly amazed at both its speed and maneverablitliy and versatility.

[MannyIsGod]

Got owned?

You're boy regurgitated a lot of what has already been said above. Only he did it in a way that it hurt my head when I read it. Not only that, but he said he didn't think it was operational yet when the artical in the OP says outright that it is operational. Its already in active service.

Its not going to replace all of the 15s or many of the 16s. Its going to replace the Eagles that are in the fighter role, but the 15Es aren't going anywhere untill the JSF is rolled out and the 16s aren't going anywhere either because of their close air support roles.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

but it looks so weird

[Vashner]

I have to admit I was not 100% for this particular plane, because I think it was overpriced, but you know little men don't question 4 star generals. Anyway if I had the cash.. would be CH47's and brand new F16's... in addition to keeping the JSF program maybe force the AF to buy some of those too.

I can't let go of the F16 .. it's like a cuddly blanket. And you should see what they have done with the avionics... it's like about a notebook pc worth of stuff replacing couple 100 lbs of circuits...

[chode_regulator]

Got owned?

You're boy regurgitated a lot of what has already been said above. Only he did it in a way that it hurt my head when I read it. Not only that, but he said he didn't think it was operational yet when the artical in the OP says outright that it is operational. Its already in active service.

Its not going to replace all of the 15s or many of the 16s. Its going to replace the Eagles that are in the fighter role, but the 15Es aren't going anywhere untill the JSF is rolled out and the 16s aren't going anywhere either because of their close air support roles.

i meant not fully operational. the osprey is also operational but isnt going anywhere anytime soon. it takes time to start crossing over squardons from one airframe to another. it doesnt happen overngiht. i highly doubt we'll see the f22 in a war theater anytime soon. perhaps MIG you would like to show me evidence saying otherwise. in fact nowhere have i even seen the f22 is operational at all.
and how did i just regurgitate what most others had said before me. i actually said the opposite on a lot of it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Tons of Raptors would have made no difference in Iraq.
Are they being rushed to Iraq now that they are available?

What was missing in the Repub Iraq war was enough ground troops to clear AND hold enough of Iraq so public security could allow reconstruction.

The terror war we're fighting now doesn't have an enemy with fixed installations to bomb, and fighter jets to dogfight with. The stealth of suicide bombers and IEDs are much more effective against the US than Raptors are against the terrorists, and a of a lot cheaper.

The solution to the war on terror is not $100M Raptors.

Boutons, you're a ing idiot.

This plane gives us air superiority anywhere, any place, any time. Iran's got some of the best RUssian MIGs, some of which are capable of defeating our F15s. We just outflanked them on that one.

And regardless of what anyone wants to say, we're in a new cold war with China and this plane gives us air superiority there.

Go back to your whole you ing maggot.

[chode_regulator]

ok heres an article saying they are operational. at one point a general said they would go to war if we went to war tomorow. well, newsflash general, we are at war. then they say they arent going anywhere til june and are going to be deployed to alaska.
i doubt this thing wil be in war anytime soon.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Boutons, you're a ing idiot.

This plane gives us air superiority anywhere, any place, any time. Iran's got some of the best RUssian MIGs, some of which are capable of defeating our F15s. We just outflanked them on that one.

And regardless of what anyone wants to say, we're in a new cold war with China and this plane gives us air superiority there.

Go back to your whole you ing maggot.

AHF, i don't think boutons_ = boutons, but I agree with most of what you said, for once, heh.
Whatever it takes to keep China from stealing our milk and honey.

This new aircraft looks ing sweet, and I'm proud to see USA trying to put new models into action. If we're gonna go warmongering at least do it in style. This new plane looks sweeeet.

Ospreys rule too

[Vashner]

We hashed this out a few times before.. same subject.

IMO The price per unit is too high. Results in lower amount of trained warfighters, and that puts a strain on the commercial airline industry. You could run 6 F16's for the price of this baby.

Now that it's up and running well let's hope it can deliver on the price tag. They should use it in a few iraq sorties to start with instead of the Alaska deployment.

I guess they don't want bad press of Amerika Fascist Warpig machine carnage. (Even though Clinton probably paid for most of the program)..

[Duff McCartney]

Why can't my tax money go for something worthwhile like giving food to the hungry?

[chode_regulator]

Ospreys rule too

lol

[mookie2001]

Why can't my tax money go for something worthwhile like giving food to the hungry?

come on you cant put transparantly patriotic profeedthehungry ribbons on your car

that would look stupid

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I can't let go of the F16 .. it's like a cuddly blanket. And you should see what they have done with the avionics... it's like about a notebook pc worth of stuff replacing couple 100 lbs of circuits...

The F16 is a cool plane, but it screams "shoot me down" on current anti-aircraft defense radars.

[MannyIsGod]

Chode,

The F22 isn't in Iraq because last time I checked you don't need an air superiority fighter to fight suicide bombers.

It is operational, but I don't see the B2 in Iraq either. Wonder why?

[chode_regulator]

Chode,

The F22 isn't in Iraq because last time I checked you don't need an air superiority fighter to fight suicide bombers.

It is operational, but I don't see the B2 in Iraq either. Wonder why?

thanks for pointing that out captain obvious. im too lazy to go back and look but im pretty sure ive already said that.
and actually i would be willing to bet that the b2 has been to iraq and dropped some bombs.
i saw two of those land when i was at nellis in the night. i was towing an aircraft between the two runways and got stuck in the middle on the taxiway. the two b2s were the last two to land out of like 18 a/c in a row. that thing was huge. i thought the wings were going to hit us as it passed by bc that damn thign is so ing wide.

[MannyIsGod]

So, you ask the question then I answer it and you say you had already answered it. Alrighty then.

If I'm Captian Obvious you're captian Oblivious but whatever.

The B2 was probably used in the first stages of the war, but I doubt its been used in years. Theres no point.

[clubalien]

In 1996, Boeing merged with Rockwell International Corp.’s aerospace and defense units. The Rockwell products became a subsidiary of Boeing, named Boeing North American, Inc. One year later, Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas Corp. Following the merger between Boeing and McDonnell Douglas, the McDonnell Douglas MD-95 was renamed the Boeing 717. and the production of the MD-11 was stopped.

My god wiki kicks ass. The company was McDonnel Douglas.

[clubalien]

Chode,

The F22 isn't in Iraq because last time I checked you don't need an air superiority fighter to fight suicide bombers.

It is operational, but I don't see the B2 in Iraq either. Wonder why?

but the b2 WAS USED IN IRAQ maybe you didn;t see it becuase it is stealthy?

but you probally mean you don't see it in use now?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

so is chode regulator right or wrong about it being able to vertically take off
im confused

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The F22 can't take off vertically. It does have STOL (short take off/landing) capabilities.

With the vectored thrust engines it can take off on a much shorter runway/rollout than is required for older fighters like the F15 and F16.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When are we going to develop bullets and missles that can be fired whilst traveling at speeds above mach 5?

When the great war comes in a few years against china we better not be at the bottom of the technological ladder...I will not have my country bested by a bunch of ing Chinese