hes a gator tail on the freeway as well.Like Hill's got tread left
Hey Seattle, how bout Musselman, ya know, that guy that darn near turned around a worse Warriors team?
As we all know, knowledge does not translate into ability or skill. It's debatable but maybe Perdue is stating what HE actually believes.
All that knowledge didn't translate well come playoff time. But he's probably got some regular season success coming to him.
LOL. Will Perdon't.
What the is Will Perdue smoking?
For one, Bob Hill is NOT a defensive-minded coach. We saw that in the 1995 WC Finals! I don't even need to bring that up!
And if you really think Bob Hill's offense rivals the Triangle Offense, then I guess something's wrong here, because we know that has yet to be proven on the hardwood.
And I doubt that this article is an unbiased one. He must still have issues with his days as a Bull and with his days playing under Coach Popovich to be writing an article like this. Either that, or, as I stated earlier, WHAT THE IS WILL PERDUE SMOKING?!
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I'm not taking Will's side here, but he said that Bob Hill is the most knowledgeable coach he's played for. That doesn't have anything to do with the effectiveness of the Triangle/Triple Post offense (which wasn't really Phil's creation, either).
Never-the-less, Will has an unusual perspective to say the least.
@ Will Perdue
Will Perdue thinks Bob Hill is better than Pop or Phil
Well, then, Will Perdue is an idiot; I never thought he was, and I always kind of felt sorry for him because of the conditions under which he left here. But, if he thinks Bob Hill is a better coach than Pop, he is an idiot, plain and simple. For the first time, I understand why Pop let him go (and I don't hold it against you any more, Pop). Sounds like sour grapes on Will's part to me.
I'm certainly not a Phil Jackson fan, and I always kind of liked Bob Hill, but I don't even agree with him about Bob being better than Phil. (Yikes, I can't believe I'm saying this!)
Get a life, Will!
Maybe they should just go ahead and send Artest to Seattle and Bob can explode two heads with one...er...stone and get it over with.
Will Perdue is a hall of famer compared to Rasho and Nazr.
In due nonrespect sir, you and several others demonstrated in this thread ae the idiots.
Perdue said hill was a more knowledgeable coach than Pop or Zen at the times he played for each of them.
That my friend, does not translate to better coach in any language.
Larry Brown, who had both Pop and Hill work for him at Kansas says Bob Hill is the best offensive coach he has ever worked with. Jeff VG gives Hill credit for laying much of the foundation that led to the Spurs first le.
Those are two pretty good props from two highly trusted NBA names.
A lot of people in this thread are saying that Purdue has "sour grapes" toward the organization. I don't know for sure, but I don't think that's true at all. After all, I see him at games often in the locker room, laughing, joking and talking with Pop and the staff.
Secondly, I know it doesn't say "better" in the article and says "most knowledgable coach" but that would have been too long of a thread le. That being said, I think to say he's the most knowledgable is still quite laughable.
I quoted the thread le, I didn't make it up. I stand by my opinions as stated. At least I didn't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me.
can't really blame Will. He has to write something for that fake sports channel regarding the Sonics' coaching move.
Thank you for ACTUALLY READING the article.
Everyone needs to stop being such a "whiner" when Pop isn't called the "best" coach...or Parker isn't named the "best" poing guard in the NBA.... It says he was the most "knowledable coach" he had played for. It doesn't say in any way, shape or form, that he is the BEST coach he ever played for. There's a difference.
I do "disagree" with Kori in the sense that its "laughable." Why is it laughable? No one in here has every played for any of these coaches. There are street smarts and book smarts. I think Will is saying that Bob Hill has big time book smarts...But that doesn't mean he'd survive on the streets of the NBA...(he hasn't) He wasn't bad with the Spurs. There are alot of people throughout the NBA that given the situation in which Hill was removed, (with DRob being injured and just as Tim D was being drafted) and Pop descending to the thrown, thought it was a bit of a cheap shot and very unfair to Hill.
I'd agree with that.
From what I recall, the larger point that ended Bob Hill's tenure in San Antonio was his inability to deal effectively with the players; it had nothing to do with whether he understood the game or not. I think it's fair to say that Hill has a rather large repertoire of theories and ideas, particularly on the offensive end, that can be attributed to his basketball a en. But having that knowledge doesn't make one a good coach -- effective coaching involves communication, motivation, and mostly an ability to use knowledge effectively when it matters. In those three categories, it would certainly appear that Pop and Phil have substantial advantages over Bob Hill (it also helps Pop and Phil that they have coached the 3 most dominant players in the league since 1990 -- which may explain why they've combined to win 12 of the last 15 les).
Certainly, if Will had offered an opinion that some player was the most knowledgable player he'd ever seen, nobody here would take that to mean that Will thought that guy was better than the best players. Why is it any different with coaches?
Of all of us, Will Perdue is uniquely situated to make that assessment, since he spent full seasons with each of those coaches and has had the first-hand opportunity to see what each man knows. It may be that Will has some bias in his opinion, but I frankly don't see anything that is terribly shocking or horrendously unjustified in what he said.
will>rasho+nazr
you = idiot.
Maybe. It also makes him uniquely situated to be biased (which you point out in your next statement). It also makes him uniquely situated to be a bitter old man and allow his bitterness to color his journalistic objectivity.
Me, neither. It just makes him sound like a bitter old man. I'm not sure that's what he was going for.
Why is it a statement tinged with bitterness? If Will said something like "Bob Hill can coach circles around Popovich and Phil Jackson," I'd think you'd have a point. But Will didn't say that. He said that Bob Hill is more knowledgeable than either of those two. Again, that statement says nothing about Bob Hill being a better coach than either Pop or Phil -- it just says that Bob Hill has a vast amount of basketball knowledge, and that his knowledge strikes Perdue as being greater than the knowledge possessed by either Pop of Phil. Why is that not true?
Actually, I think the argument against your point comes from the paragraph that follows the statement that has gotten everyone riled up. Perdue turns right around and admits that Hill has serious failings, too:
If he was on some bitter rampage to discount the accomplishments of Pop or Phil, he could have gone off on some tangent about Hill having never had the benefit of coaching Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan, or Shaquille O'Neal. He didn't. He turned around and said that Hill has serious deficiencies -- mostly that he can't communicate his knowledge to players, which is a major problem.
Look, I'm just stating my opinions on the matter just like you are. I believe I'm right just as vehemently as you do. It's all just opinion. Just because you think it does not make it fact.
You know, now that this "Hill is better than Pop" thing is being brought up, I'll admit, even I thought Hill was better than Pop when Hill got canned, because even with Pop at the helm after he fired Hill, the Spurs finished 20 - 62. Of course, I was only about 13 at the time, and all I knew about the Spurs then was that a) they sucked, and b) David Robinson was out for the season due to an injury. Wanna know what it took to prove me wrong? The very next two seasons.
So did I. But, at that time, not many people had seen Pop in action as a coach, he didn't have a reputation as being a bad coach, he just didn't have any coaching reputation to speak of.
Bingo!
MJ didn't call him "Will Vanderbilt" for nothing.
Why would it be laughable? Larry Brown says Hill is the most organized person and best offensive coach he has ever worked with. Shaq, who was coached by Hill as an assistant in 1993 - 1994 as a Magic assistant, says Hill was essential in the development of his offensive post game. Jeff VG credits Hill with laying much of the Spurs foundation that became the 1999 Championship.
And others on this board will think it is laughable because you say so. Go figure?
And others on this board will think it is laughable because you say so. Go figure?
I hope not. I think everyone forms their own opinion here.
In MY opinion, if he was more knowledgable of a coach than Phil or Pop, he would have been back in the league sooner. Knowledgable doesn't just mean X's and O's or book smarts, it means relating to players as well .. and doing everything else that you need to know in order to be a good coach. I think it's laughable to think that he's more "knowledgable" than Pop/Phil. They've coached championship teams while he couldn't hold down a job at Fordham. It's my opinion. I'm en led to it like every other poster. So cut your at ude. "Go figure?"
I see you were going off the le. Might I suggest if you are going to come to a conclusion about what someone said, you actually read what was said.
Will simply made a comment that complemented Hills knowledge of the game of hoops. It did not compare Hill's ability to coach with Pop's or Zen's, and even had a slight dig of how Hill sometimes had trouble communicating his ideals to the team. And he did nothing to indicate he has sour grapes toward Zen, Pop and/or the Spurs.
On the other front, sorry about the insult. Sometimes I get defensive for those I respect when people start twisting a story and spewing incorrect garbage that is picked up and repeated by the unsuspecting.
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