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Good luck, Jerry. I can't see Tim agreeing to piss away three summers. I think this could be a time where Pop would actually step in and ask him not too. I believe that repeated international play shortened David's career.
Maccabi Tel Aviv is a pro team, and they hit a shot at the buzzer to win in the Raptors' pre season, after the Raptors led for most of the game. They beat the Washington Bullets in 1978, too. You aren't telling me anything that comes close to changing my mind.
Good luck, Jerry. I can't see Tim agreeing to piss away three summers. I think this could be a time where Pop would actually step in and ask him not too. I believe that repeated international play shortened David's career.
so now its the CABB's responsibility to pick team USA? thats your own damn fault. if dirk didnt get injured in the 03 WCF, maybe the spurs lose. If duncan didnt get injured in 01, maybe the spurs dont lose. on and on we can go with ifs, bottom line, team usa was assembled by the americans in charge and they sent a crap team of former mvps, allstars and other nba has beens
playing FIBA rules the hawks would get raped by argentina, to the tune of 30 pt blowouts. they cant shoot, defend, or rebound, we would obliterate them.
the raptors actually have a frontcourt, but lack the experience to execute against a versatile, veteran team like argentina. In fact, the only NBA teams that argentina has no chance against in FIBA rules are Detroit, the Spurs, and Miami (shaq), we can definitely give teams like the mavs and the suns a run for their money. dont even pretend a joke like the hawks would come near to giving us trouble.
now under NBA entertainment rules with your refs who dont know what a travel is and let superstars do whatever they want, then maybe argentina would have a hard time. bottomline though, both teams would be playing with the same refs, so you can keep that whine all to yourself
Not really.
I’m tired of guys such as Hector or you who downplay the rest of the world’s basketball accomplishments by saying like: “The US NT team was assembled six weeks prior to the Olympics and had not time to practice”, “Our best players did not go”, “TD got rapped by the refs”, or “FIBA sucks”.
And whose fault is this?
You are so arrogant you think the US deserves to gold medal just for presenting a team. Who cares about proving their dominance in the court? The US is the US and they should always walk away with the gold.
Another lame excuse.
Under FIBA rules? What kind of drugs are you on?
Whatever floats your boat.
Sure, the minute your team lost, FIBA sucks. You sure do come across as a crybaby. “Timmy got raped”, “FIBA sucks” buaaaaahhhhhhhhh!
H e r e w e g o a g a i n ! ! !
1. Constellation = An arbitrary formation of STARS () perceived as a figure or design, especially one of ... recognized groups named after characters from classical mythology and various common animals and objects.
2. TEAM = A group organized to work together.
so ... some thoughts to share
1. TD is not a Magician he won't be able to invent a team where there's no teamworking, USA BBall can't put a bunch of stars and still believe they could get the gold. Not anymore.
2. USA BBall is working well this time ...they are following a plan ... they got a full time Coach, they are calling players, asking for a 2 years commitment, etc ...
3. They (USA BBall) is showing intentions to create a TEAM which is really good for everyone ... NBA, FIBA and fans
4. FIBA's refs are not consistent ... I DO AGREE with that, in Intl tournament they are inconsistent, you know in Olimpycs there are refs representing countries with no BBall tradition or not good compe ions, anyway they sucks for everybody ...
5. STAR treatment, for me this is the key to understand FIBA's esence ... perhaps only a few players could have any extra help, but the rules are followed for everyone ... in NBA games you see that Lebron, AI, Kobe, etc has their own way of playing and in any doubt the refs will consider them, just because they are STARS ...in FIBA for get of that.
6. Perspective ... IMHO for NBA's players (Americans) they respect more NBA than Olimpycs or Intl Bball, which is very different in FIBA's world ... ask people from S&M, Spain, Brazil, Argentina (just to mention some countries), for us Intl tournament are more important, so everyone consider an honor to be called for National Team ...follwing the news the only NBA's player that has shown that respect is AI ... he answered YES .. .it'll be a honor .... an I also remember his red eyes looking at US flag in Olimpycs (in "coronation" ceremony) ...that man was pretty close to cry ... because he felt respect for the thing he was doing ...
7. Fair play ... even wining the next Olimpycs ... they will be a final issue ... what about Intl antidoping rules ... why that isn't mandatory for them!!??
Why Smeagol Why????
Why call me out when I only implied that it "seemed" as though the IOC wanted to make a point about USA Basketball.... I never made any of the other excuses or assertions.
You do know that there is a bitter debate between FIBA and the NBA, don't you??? The fact IOC sides with FIBA is irrelevant right???
IT's not an excuse. The U.S. did not assemble a "team" and that was their problem... they shouldn't feel like they are en led to a gold medal simply because they step on the court.
If you're tired of guys such as myself... take a step back and try to be a little more objective.... It's not like I'm taking anything away from Argentina... They deserved the Gold Medal and played like they wanted it. The U.S. didn't. And to Duncan's misfortune, who actually played like he 'wanted it', the refs held him back with ticky-tack fouls....
If you still claim to know what I 'think' and the thought of it makes you 'tired' respond on the smack forum... not this one. I simply don't think I warranted your explicit 'calling me out'...
Sorry dude, I'm not tired of you. I did not express myself correctly.
What I'm tired of is the excuses. I have been reading about excuses why the US lost since July 2004.
You are cool and I have no problem with Hector the person.
^^^ Thank you. Those who can admit their own errors are admirable. It's was direct and frank and in doing so you have kept my respect.
Relax people the team is not even assembled yet.
He is just interviewing players to gauge interest and to inform them, face to face, of the expectations that come with being on the team.
Duncan has every right to decline to participate.
If the US picks the right players and commits to its NT, there is no question they will win whatever internatinal championship they play in. But first they have to commit to this with a long term plan.
Indianapolis 2002 and Athens 2004 have proven that showing up with a bunch of stars is no longer enough to walk away with the glory.
I look foward to a 2006 World Championships with a strong US NT.
So here's a question: everyone else in the world essentially plays by FIBA rules. Why don't we (the US) get off our proud "the game was invented here by a Canadian, we'll make our own rules" kick and use the same rules as the rest of the planet?
My take.... again it is only my opinion.... is that NBA rules allow for a more entertaining show.
I agree. I just don't know how committed NBA players will be to this cause even with this supposed "commitment" to Team USA basketball. I think there's enough U.S. talent outside of the NBA that if the U.S. fielded a team that could practice and play together for a year or two that they might do better than a non-cohesive bunch of NBA guys who just show up to play Olympic pickup ball.
Argentina had the best chemistry, and I think the best international player in Super Manu so they deserved to win. I love how Manu can will himself up a couple of notches when the pressure's on. He's a freaking winner and I'm so glad he's a Spur.
They won the gold medal because they deserved it. End of story.
FIBA sucks was a Duncan quote, and was intended as a joke. If you cheat, I'm going to call you a cheater whether you win or lose. Get over it.
Only a ing moron thinks that Duncan wasn't getting hit with touch fouls. Only a ing moron thinks that the olympic team was the best that the US could send. Only a ing moron thinks that pointing out the truth that, as bad as the US team was, it still took 8 on 5 basketball to beat them means that I have no respect for the huge improvements by the rest of the world.
There are a number of foreign players that I think are fantastic, and most of them lack the sense of en lement that the majority of the US players and their fans have. I admire that so it doesn't bother me that deserving classy teams do well. It sickened me when a friend of mine called me after the olympics and said what a ing loser Tim Duncan is because he was too good to stay in the olympic village with everyone else, something that he wouldn't have said if the US team was beating everyone by 30. It killed me to see the US team lose, and I'm not going to throw them under the bus just because they lost. The officiating would have been terrible regardless of the outcome of the game. Realistically, the games shouldn't have even been close enough for it to matter. It pisses me off that Duncan had to sit there on the block while Carlos Boozer stepped all over him and the rest of the guys stood around waiting to go in for a dunk or put up a brick. That performance was bad all around, and shows the arrogance and incompetence of those that assembled the team, a lesson that they obviously hadn't learned from the previous couple of forays into international compe ion. Argentina was the classiest, humblest, best TEAM that was at the olympics, which is all that matters, and what makes the compe ion great. They deserved that gold medal completely, and I'm glad they got it. It doesn't suddenly mean that they hold a candle to the Spurs, or that the officiating was anything approaching good.
None of this changes any of the facts that I mentioned above. ANY NBA team in a meaningful game would destroy any international team under any rules you'd like unless you want to employ officials who can't get around their bias, which you obviously do, because you care more about thumbing your nose at the bad old superpower than you do about competing. Sarunas Jasikevicius hasn't set the league on fire like all the world basketball defenders predicted, and if he's the best that the non-NBA world has to offer, then I rest my case.
Crying about refs is weak. And that's what you are doing.
And that about cheating. Explain that to me again. Who was cheating?
Talking about cheating.... Remember Mr. Frodo, smeagol? Hm?
only a ing moron lives in a hypothetical fantasy world. seriously, stop crying, your embarassing yourself and your country. Did you celebrate the previous olympic/wc success of USA? cause if you did you are a ing hypocrite. you diss fiba refs as if NBA refs were perfect when they dont even follow their own rulebook, much less the one used in 98% of basketball compe ions around the world.
duncan wasn't able to work because he had no shooters around him, so international teams were able to crowd him out with zones and triple teams. same thing happens to him in the nba when the spurs are off/lack shooters. the refs are the same for all teams. team usa got beat handily by argentina, by the second quarter we had control of the game. one or two calls on duncan, who fouled out much later, had nothing to do with it.
in any case, if you think teams like the hawks or the celtics can come close to hurting a team like argentina, you have zero credibility, so go back to your la la land, we'll be waiting for you here in reality.
The fact is the Hawks or the Raptors would win 19 times out of 20 against Argentina, and ten of those by double digits.
I cant wait for WC 2006. I would love to see USA in same group with Slovenia
And if we would beat USA ----->
I cant wait for WC 2006. I would love to see USA in same group with Slovenia
And when we would beat USA ----->
I Agree
Yep, that Frodo dude cheated me out of My Precioussssss!
That is the biggest load of Bull I have seen about this subject from either side. There were only two refs, so it was seven on five.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2284166
Duncan won't play for U.S. at worlds, '08 Games
PHOENIX -- Tim Duncan has officially notified USA Basketball that he will not be a part of the U.S. team that will compete at this year's world championships and the 2008 Olympics.
Jerry Colangelo, managing director of USA Basketball, said Saturday that Duncan's agent, Lon Babby, had called with the news earlier this week. Because of the call, Colangelo did not meet with Duncan when the San Antonio Spurs were in Arizona this weekend.
Colangelo, chosen to form a team to bring the U.S. back to world prominence in the sport, is requiring players to make a three-year commitment. The commitment includes a training camp in July, probably to be held in Las Vegas, as well as exhibition games in China and South Korea leading to the worlds in Japan in August.
There will be another training camp next year, followed by another and more exhibition games prior to the 2008 Games in Beijing.
Colangelo said has met with 15 to 18 players, and Duncan was the first to say he would not take part. Some, including Shaquille O'Neal, have said they were still considering it, while others, including Allen Iverson, have said they were willing to make the commitment.
Duncan was part of the U.S. team that won the bronze medal at the 2004 Olympics. He was selected for the U.S. team at the 2000 Olympics but had to withdraw with a knee injury.
Duncan played for the U.S. teams at the FIBA Americas qualifying tournaments in 1999 and 2003.
Colangelo, who has said the team will include role players and not be simply a collection of superstars, plans to announce the first batch of camp invitees by the NBA's All-Star break in mid-February.
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