It is the misinformed that annoy me. I had a friend going on and on about people trying to X Christ out of Christmas by using the abbreviation X-Mas. She still does not believe me that the Greek letter chi has stood for Christ for centuries.
The so-called war on Christmas is more folklorical and supers ious than actual, I believe.It is the misinformed that annoy me. I had a friend going on and on about people trying to X Christ out of Christmas by using the abbreviation X-Mas. She still does not believe me that the Greek letter chi has stood for Christ for centuries.
Here's the thing about saying 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Holidays', and one vs. the other being de rigeur.
When I was growing up Roman Catholic (admittedly a million years ago), I was in Catholic schools ( with no one giving my mother any 'vouchers' for it, thank you very much) and we looked forward to both Christmas and New Year's as the "Holy Days of Obligation" upcoming. Holy Days of Obligation are days that the Catholic Church treats as requiring presence at Mass, just as if they were on Sundays. Therefore, any one wishing anyone else "Happy Holidays" was shorthand for the the upcoming MULTIPLE HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION. It had absolutely nothing to do with any other cultural days, and most of the time our priests and nuns were fussing about people saying "Merry Christmas" instead of Holy Christmas or Happy Christmas, which were the European treatments of the day.
Santa Claus was considered a degredation of the holy feast of Christmas, and Protestant religions (including most of those of the religious right today, including all the fundamentalists) were criticized mightily because they often did not even have Church services on Christmas Day, much less require their congregations to attend!
Now, the notion of saying Happy Holidays is assumed to be a PC statement that implies that one is insufficiently 'Christian' to say "Merry Christmas".
Folks, everybody really needs to calm down about all this semantic nonsense, and the religious right needs to find something else to feel victimized by. (Sorry for ending the sentence with a preposition. The nuns taught me better than that .)
Thirty years from now there will be another dustup about another whole set of holiday-themed greeting errors.
yeah the protestants have really ed up a lot in this country
its funny because historically they used to be pretty tolerant, until they became the majority
Well, some Protestants, like Anglicans or Methodists, etc., but most of the fundamentalist protestant religions have always been pretty rigid. (like Roman Catholics). There was not a lot of religious tolerance in some of the early colonies, and folks moved around within the colonies partly because they were trying to find a place to be able to go to church without having to pay a fine for it or get ejected from the colony. Only one side of my parentage was Roman Catholic, the other side was fundamentalist Protestant. I think it is what forced me to become a moderate in all things.
They're all a little 'tightly wound', if you ask me.
i just dont see the catholic church begging for money on tv while wearing $1000 suits, slapping lines of people in the head, putting their priests name on the church building, telling people poverty is gods punishment for laziness, preaching the lite happy sunny americas bible, bringing politics into everything, etc
yes i am "catholic" (even though they could list about 1000 reasons why im not) and no i do not like evangelicals i admit it im just ranting here
Happy Holidays!
Why so much hatred towards the church? Especially christian religions. What other religions say to give all your possessions to the poor? What other religion teaches that the greatest command is to love thy neighbor? About protestants, what religion has provided more towards our culture (work ethic) than protestants? Our "freedoms" were the idea that god gave them to us and no man should take them away. Sure christian religions have many problems, and sometimes go against the teachings of jesus.However, far more good has come about than taken away.
Also for you people to attack an entire religion and then use the word tolerant in the same post is ridiculous. There is far too much bigoted talk against religion and religious people in here.
Why so much hatred towards the church? Especially christian religions. What other religions say to give all your possessions to the poor? What other religion teaches that the greatest command is to love thy neighbor? About protestants, what religion has provided more towards our culture (work ethic) than protestants? Our "freedoms" were the idea that god gave them to us and no man should take them away. Sure christian religions have many problems, and sometimes go against the teachings of jesus.However, far more good has come about than taken away.
Also for you people to attack an entire religion and then use the word tolerant in the same post is ridiculous. There is far too much bigoted talk against religion and religious people in here.
who would have thought glen beck #1 fan would be protestant
I never said I was protestant or beck's #1 fan
Are you Protestant?
No
why does that matter?
Are you Catholic?
All of them.
Try reading about a few of them. Maybe then you wouldn't be so ignorant. They all preach about peace and love, Jainism is one of the top of my head. Their main motto is ahimsa, no violence towards any living creature. They even sweep their beds when they turn so they won't smash any bugs in their beds.
All religions are the same. They all preach peace and love, and they all have parts of their religious doctrine that says things about violence and war.
Don't mean for you to waste your time, but why don't you use some actual quotes of some of the bigger religions. Maybe I didn't explain my position well. Jesus was born in a manger on the run. He came for the sinners. He was tortured and killed by the very people he came to save. He rather had spent his time with tax collectors and pros utes than nobles, and religious leaders. I agree that all religions have these teachings put in to some degree, but the life and teachings of jesus is far different than any other religion.
Who wouldn't?He rather had spent his time with tax collectors and pros utes than nobles, and religious leaders.
To go to societies rejected and say that they can be apart of god's kingdom, and all they have to do is ask for forgiveness of their sins was pretty distinct of all religions, before and after.
You know, SnC, you really take umbrage so quickly and so easily, and for so little good sense.
1.) Very FEW posters in here show bigotry toward 'religion' or 'religious people'. I can think of about 4 who do. The rest? Pretty tame.
2.) Based on your own criteria, Jesus himself would have been considered
'anti-religion' or 'anti-religious' since he had quite a lot to say about pharisees and other hypocrites of his own religious background. Moreover, you would likely accuse him of property-trashing over his reaction to the money-changers in the temple. Are you accusing Jesus of bigotry toward Jews?
3.) Methinks you doth protest too much.
She won the war on Christmas, duh.
and by the way, that's her all grown up now.
1. I disagree.
2. I agree that Jesus was against the traditions of the jewish religion. can we not make this about me, because your impressions of me are wrong, and I don't want to make a post all about me having to defend myself from your nonsense.
3. you should have used thinketh. It would've sounded funnier. Maybe even thy. Thy thinketh thou doth protest too mucheth. There we go. YW.
1. okay
2. It doesn't have to be about you if you don't take the position that you are defending something that everyone else is trashing. My point was that Jesus pointed out hypocrites in his own religious background, just as many of the posters (particularly in this thread) have done. That doesn't make those posters atheists or bigots toward religion. It makes them hypocrite-bashers, in the best Christian tradition.
3.)I stand by my paraphrase of Shakespeare.
I think its funny watching people quote people from 3 years ago in outrage.
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