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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    You mean the whitehouse doesn't really want us to know the whole truth about anything involving the Iraq war/occupation?

    Or maybe they are just too incompetant to really have a handle on what the truth really is...

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    You are all failing to realize the point.

    As members of one, entirely seperate and distinct soverign nation, it is our DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to make sure citizens of another seperate, distinct, soverign nation have the ability to VOTE for their OWN leaders.

    It is our duty adn responsibility for US Citizens to change the lives and give citizens of an entirely different country the benefits of a life that WE consider to be good for THEM.

    THEM being people of an entirely different country, religion, history, situation.

    How do you not all understand the flawlessness of this logic? Jesus christ stop being so damn anti-american.

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    The fact that this war could cost that much baffles me. And this is WITHOUT proper equipment.

    I recently had a friend come home from a year over there. He spent the last four months in an unarmored humvee because his tank needed a new transmission. A transmission he was told was on the way and never came, in FOUR MONTHS. In fact, tanks were always breaking down and they had to cannibalize old ones for parts. He even had to take parts off of one that was in the sewer. Stealing parts from other group's tanks wasn't common, but wasn't unheard of either. Nobody wanted the unarmed humvee.

    I guess the point I am trying to make is that I can't imagine how much the total cost would be if they actually spent any of it on supplies and armor.

    Oh, and he voted for Kerry. Him and all but one in his group. All had voted for Bush in 2000. That right there amazed the out of me. "Something has to change, Mel" was his reasoning. Interpret that how you will.

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    CBF, you ignorant dumb , playing the bogus anti-American card. plonk.

    The Repugs are in Iraq exclusively because of oil, which priortizes Iraq over Zimbabwe, Darfur, the Horn of Africa, and all the other non-democratic, muderous non-democracies the Repugs could have invaded.

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    CBF, you ignorant dumb , playing the bogus anti-American card. plonk.

    The Repugs are in Iraq exclusively because of oil, which priortizes Iraq over Zimbabwe, Darfur, the Horn of Africa, and all the other non-democratic, muderous non-democracies the Repugs could have invaded.
    It is about the control of oil, and anyone who says it isn't should ask themselves if a Oil-President would have even bothered with Saddam/Iraq if there was no oil.

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    boutons, please surrender your sarcasm detector for inspection.

    That is all.

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    Wait guys i've seen the light!!

    This war is unjust.

    Infact any war is unjust.. Unless ofcourse it is conducted in the balkans and is solely conducted by airstrikes while gettin head from a fat . I mean who cares if those airstrike kill innocent people or the fact that we aided one side is going to promote more death.

    It's all good because a democrat is conducting a war and nothing will get done, just as long as we appear like we're hawkish so we can rip some votes from the double wide trailer residing hayseeds in the red states.

    I mean Bush is doing this all for oil. Haliburton is so profiting from this now that they bought out Microsoft and all their workers recieved a platinum laced marble dinner table with swans in the middle as a christmas bonus along with an H3.

    I mean cmon, this war is all about oil. That's why i'm gonna refill my tank with $5.00 and have enough left over to buy a whataburger and a shake. Life sure is swell!

    Look guys, i'll ignore the fact that CLinton and Gore had plans themselves to push regime change in Iraq, but forget the facts, my moveon.org membership is a kick ass deal and i have a "I heart John Murtha" zebra print thong, special edition to all of the moveon.org prime subscribers.

    , cmon guys, root for the nice guys.

    Not Cheney Bushloveshisdaddy you!

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    Wait guys i've seen the light!!

    This war is unjust.

    Infact any war is unjust.. Unless ofcourse it is conducted in the balkans and is solely conducted by airstrikes while gettin head from a fat . I mean who cares if those airstrike kill innocent people or the fact that we aided one side is going to promote more death.

    It's all good because a democrat is conducting a war and nothing will get done, just as long as we appear like we're hawkish so we can rip some votes from the double wide trailer residing hayseeds in the red states.

    I mean Bush is doing this all for oil. Haliburton is so profiting from this now that they bought out Microsoft and all their workers recieved a platinum laced marble dinner table with swans in the middle as a christmas bonus along with an H3.

    I mean cmon, this war is all about oil. That's why i'm gonna refill my tank with $5.00 and have enough left over to buy a whataburger and a shake. Life sure is swell!

    Look guys, i'll ignore the fact that CLinton and Gore had plans themselves to push regime change in Iraq, but forget the facts, my moveon.org membership is a kick ass deal and i have a "I heart John Murtha" zebra print thong, special edition to all of the moveon.org prime subscribers.

    , cmon guys, root for the nice guys.

    Not Cheney Bushloveshisdaddy you!
    You mean you didn't know it was all about oil, Hailburton and
    Cheney getting a big bonus. Gee you do disappointment me. How
    come you don't read all them Republican blogs on how we are going
    to take over the middle east, have all the oil in the world and charge
    all the dimm-o-craps 50.00 a gallon for gas. Well that is unless we
    can get the homeless to chip in. Don't you ever read what's his name:
    boutons. Yeah, that's him. He is so smart.

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    When the US invaded Iraq in March 2003, the Bush administration estimated that it would cost $50-60bn to overthrow Saddam Hussein and establish a functioning government. This estimate was catastrophically wrong: the war in Iraq has cost $823.2bn between 2003 and 2011. Some estimates suggesting that it may eventually cost as much as $3.7tn when factoring in the long-term costs of caring for the wounded and the families of those killed.


    The most striking fact about the cost of the war in Iraq has been the extent to which it has been kept “off the books” of the government’s ledgers and hidden from the American people. This was done by design. A fundamental assumption of the Bush administration’s approach to the war was that it was only politically sustainable if it was portrayed as near-costless to the American public and to key cons uencies in Washington. The dirty little secret of the Iraq war – one that both Bush and the war hawks in the Democratic party knew, but would never admit – was that the American people would only support a war to get rid of Saddam Hussein if they could be assured that they would pay almost nothing for it.


    The most obvious way in which the true cost of this war was kept hidden was with the use of supplemental appropriations to fund the occupation. By one estimate, 70% of the costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan between 2003 and 2008 were funded with supplemental or emergency appropriations approved outside the Pentagon’s annual budget. These appropriations allowed the Bush administration to shield the Pentagon’s budget from the cuts otherwise needed to finance the war, to keep the Pentagon’s pet programs intact and to escape the scrutiny that Congress gives to its normal annual regular appropriations.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-cost-iraq-war

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    It is about the control of oil, and anyone who says it isn't should ask themselves if a Oil-President would have even bothered with Saddam/Iraq if there was no oil.
    It's funny rereading all the nonsense from back then

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    It's funny rereading all the nonsense from back then
    you mean like all the people eating bush's pablum?

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    That too

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