Tony Parker and offensive fouls.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Every player brings their hand under the ball on every dribble. Some to a different extent. Refs just don't call it all the time on Chauncey because it doesn't give him an advantage. There is certain amount of time you have to have your hand under the ball in order for it to be called.

When you can make 2 stutter steps then change direction then take another long step with the ball not touching the floor once, I'd say that's a pretty good advantage.
But its pointless...I don't give a any more that he gets away with it I just think that any spectator should easily see that he travels more than any toher guard out there

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Watch Billups dribble the ball in place next Pistons game.
Just watch his hand, and the ball. It's travelling. Text book palming the ball.

You can't do the that he does without travelling. Maybe his hands are so gigantic that it's impossible for him to dribble any other way...but its still travelling.

I just start cussing and get angry at it cuz I still don't understand why he finds it necessary to do it for dribbling in place, and stuff like that. It's ridiculous.

Same reason why Rip and Tony travel, Ben and Manu flop, Bowen clutches and grabs; they get away with it...

I don't understand why the refs don't call traveling or palming anymore. Why did they stop?

[BigVee]

It is actually stupid to argue about any of this. A foul, a flop, a carry...it is whatever the ref calls. Some are right some are wrong, whatever. Parker may at times throw his arm out, but he often get knocked on his ass with no whistle so it goes both ways....

[FreshPrince22]

Then to call out Parker for using his offhand to sheild defenders?

One gives you a clear advantage, the other doesn't. Again, they only call the palming when it gives the player an advantage.

And I watch Pistons games on league pass (so about 50% are opposing team's play-by-play guys), and I have NEVER heard them mention it once in the last 3 years.

[SpursWoman]

Watch Chris Paul next time the Spurs play the Hornets...

We noticed it the last game .... I had to slip a Flexeril in my SO's iced tea he was getting so pissed about it.

[himat]

It's stupid to argue about Chauncey's dribbling--He's been getting away with it for years and will continue to. I've gotten used to it.
I just think its stupid to not even acknowledge that his dribbling mechanics are significantly different than most other point guards' in the league.

Then to call out Parker for using his offhand to sheild defenders?

i nevr even thought that was offensive. surely if raasheed doesn't complain it's definantly not a foul. all i care about chauncey is that he handles the ball well and he doesn't turn the ball over. except for the person who created this thread no other poster thought it was a big deal.

[FreshPrince22]

i nevr even thought that was offensive. surely if raasheed doesn't complain it's definantly not a foul. all i care about chauncey is that he handles the ball well and he doesn't turn the ball over. except for the person who created this thread no other poster thought it was a big deal.

How did you not know that was a foul? You think a player is allowed to shove off a defender in the paint? If so, there would be no shot blockers in the league. It makes them useless. Sheed complains about that call more than any. He was just on good behavior last night because we were destroying them, so the calls didn't matter. Next time you watch a Pistons game look for it. Watch for someone making a layup near him that you think he probably should have blocked. He'll do the "off-arm" motion toward the ref and yell "offense! offense!" Trust me, it's the most inconsistant call in the NBA.

[Kori Ellis]

Of course it's a foul if someone actually pushes with their off arm. What I'm saying is that I watch the Spurs a lot and Tony doesn't do it much. Rip on the other hand might lead the league in it. Maybe that's why Rasheed is so familiar with it

[T Park]

The Pistons have the most moving picks of ANY team I have ever seen.

We can go all day if we wanna nitpick.

[JamStone]

Chauncey Billups often uses his elbow/forearm to push off defenders when he dribbles up the court.

Rip Hamilton travels A LOT.

Damn near all NBA point guards palm or carry the basketball in some form when they dribble.

Where's the controversy? Players bend the rules. Players break the rules when they can get away with it. Tony Parker isn't the first point guard to use his off-arm to clear a defender from blocking his shot. I guarantee you he won't be the last.

[Marklar MM]

Hamilton travels the most in the NBA. Every time he touches the ball and stands in place, he moves at least a foot in either direction just by shuffling his feet. Averages about 6 foot shuffles.

Anyone remember that Francis dunk on the Pistons from last season. I cannot believe they did not call it a travel...it was so blatant.