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Sure beats playing 39+ in a loss on Christmas like Bowen, Parker and Duncan did...
And they're also playing without 2 of their top 9...
Parker, Bowen and Duncan are playing the same amount of minutes as their Piston counterparts. You think the Pistons give a of Rasho or Nazr is rested?
Manu has never played heavy minutes b/c IMO it takes away from what he does best; hustle, intensity, etc.
Ginobili sees heavy minutes in the postseason.
I guess it's hard for you not to be excited about winning in January, being a Lions fan.
Sure beats playing 39+ in a loss on Christmas like Bowen, Parker and Duncan did...
He averages 30 for his career, 33 last year in the postseason...
29 isn't a lot, but 33 is heavy
Detroit's bench is gonna be there biggest weakness that is no secret. but peter i think you're REALLY off base with your arguments. and even the pistons know championships aren't won in january but playing like they are they can set themselves with HCA throughout the real "championships" and dismantle our spurs the way they did the last 2 times they met
He broke 40 a few times in the Finals. You know, when it matters. Not in January.
Off base about what? January is nothing.
Championships aren't won in January ...
so shouldn't heated arguments of smack talk between the fans of two apparent le contenders not happen in January either?
This thread got really hateful quick. With the exception of a few, I think most Pistons fans respect the San Antonio Spurs and what their team has done over the last 7 years. I always thought most Spurs fans felt similar respect for what the Pistons have been able to accomplish over the last three seasons. A little smack talk is one thing, but the "dumb , you, " stuff ... is it necessary?
it isn't. think of peter as an x factor i guess?
"Detroit's bench is gonna be there biggest weakness that is no secret"
Their starters plus Lindsay in the b/c and Antonio in the f/c will probably be their 7-man Finals rotation, just like Spurs had Brent in the b/c and Robert in the f/c.
I can't see that Pistons bench is any weaker than the Spurs bench.
Right now, with the way the Spurs bench has disappeared, I'd say the Pistons bench is both better and sufficient.
I also have to agree the Spurs bench is a big, big dissapointment. 0 points out of Finley several times is not cutting it, and Pop has seemingly screwed up the confidence of Nazr, Beno and some others.
That being said Pop at some point will settle on a rotation and that will at least help.
Dice and Linsey are good. They are both good at DEFENSE. Dice can score 10+ points and grab 10+ rebounds a night. Evans will play better, Delfino will play better. I don't see big difference btw spurs and pistons bench.
Well both teams still have time to improve. We will see.
The Piston's bench will be a ton better once Lindsey gets back. Right now, our bench gets killed by dribble penetration (Arroyo blows). Lindsey will cut that down dramatically. Also, right now, Maurice Evans and Carlos Delfino are battling out for the main backup swingman job. Once that gets worked out, one of them will be getting a lot more minutes, and we'll have some consistancy. Right now, it's hard for them to produce when we're mixing and matching to try to come up with a lineup that works. And Dice will be Dice.
Needless to say, other than having "names", I really don't see what is so great about the Spurs bench. Compare the benches in the 2 meetings (I'm counting Manu as a starter and Finley as a bench player in the 2nd game because that's where he'll be when it counts):
Dec 25th
Pistons bench: 56 minutes, 21 points (53% FG), 17 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks, 0 TO
Spurs bench: 76 minutes, 20 points (39% FG), 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 block, 3 TO
Jan 12th
Pistons bench: 37 minutes, 10 points (39% FG), 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 blocks, 0 TO
Spurs bench: 79 minutes, 10 points (29% FG), 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 block, 2 TO
So I don't see how anyone can say the Pistons don't have a bench. They played about half the minutes, and outproduced the Spurs bench overall. The Pistons just don't need to use theirs so much because their starting 5 is so deep.
This Peter guy is pathetic.
Right now at least 10 teams in the league I am sure are getting more off the bench than the Spurs.
This will only get worse temporarily when Manu goes back to start.
It is not a lack of talent, somehow the Spurs need to find the 3-4 solid players behind the starters for the playoffs.
Right now the Pistons have iidentified those guys better than the Spurs do. Only a homer would be happy with the way our bench is playing or being used. The Spurs have the talent to bridge the gap but must do so to win the championship over the Pistons or whoever they face to get there.
Our starters do not play much and that aggravates the fire out of me. How are we supposed to gell if our starters don't even play on the floor together that much? It's Pop screwing around with the rotations. Well, there are a lot of things that are going to have to happen before the Spurs cna play championship style basketball.
1. Get the lineups set, get messing with them.
2. Tim Duncan needs to be 90% or higher. Which that won't happen. But we will NOT repeat unless Duncan meets that criteria.
3. Gell. Whether its on the fast break, defense, whatever, just make it look smooth and become as strong as a team as possible.
I get so annoyed when I hear Pop say how lackadasical we are, and then I SEE ABO ELY NO CHANGE THE NEXT GAME OR THE NEXT OR THE NEXT. He needs to do something to get this team motivated. I've been so disappointed with him since last year's playoffs. I know he has brought us rings, but he makes the stupidest decisions I hvae ever seen for a multiple ring winning coach. Not to mention that holds back Duncan and Ginobili to let Parker have free reign.
Sure thing, Pee Wee Herman.
Pistons bench is weak? That's news to me. Hunter and McDyess are more than enough to complete the Pistons 7 man rotation in the post-season. Spurs bench has the potential to be good, but so far they have not lived up to their expectations. Now, I expect Finley will have a bigger impact as the season moves along, but that's about it. Beno will not get many minutes in the post-season, if any, Nazr + Rasho=1 average Center, Horry is Horry, Barry I don't expect to see anything out of, and NVE will not see that many minutes and even if he does I don't see him having the kind of impact on the Spurs team that Hunter and McDyess have on the Pistons.
As someone else said, it's pretty much a coin-toss when it comes to Spurs or Pistons. Pistons currently have the edge because they are mentally tougher than the Spurs and more driven.
Our bench is stronger this year than it was last year, and is currently outperforming the Spurs' bench, but SA's bench has the potential to explode down the stretch - they're underperforming so far. And 5 out of the last 7 is cold, cold comfort, in light of losing 4 out of the last NINE.
as long as Flip burns out his starting players in the regular season it's all good
As long as Tim Duncan continues to play 35+ mpg on plantar fasciitis, it's all good.
Pistons weren't burned out last Finals.
And they played the same MPG last year as this year.
Sounds like some Spurs fans are planning on beating the Pistons on rest vs fatigue, rather than beating them at basketball.
freshprince, you are way off. our bench had 5 turnovers compared to detroit's none. you guys got totally ourpoduced or something.
that game showed nothing, these teams are very close. unlike last year though the pistons might have homecourt, they're determined to win, and the offense is less predictable. many piston fans thought it was the 4 fouls on mcdyess and rasheed in game 7 that lost us the game but it was the scoring drought. the pistons had many of those under brown. piston fans were angry at larry brown because after dice and sheed got 4 fouls he put tayshaun on duncan. the pistons had a 9 point lead and had to hold on for only 1 and half more quarters so if dice fouled out rasheed could probably last the rest of the game, or if sheed fouled out dice could last, but for some reason he threw tayshaun on duncan.
i never predict who wins championships, but i want to right now. you're the one who's stupid. the pistons are different, and no one is bragging about that game. i would take a tandem of a great defender in hunter, and a great playmaker in arroyo over a turnover prone udrih, and nick van exel who shoots bad shots a lot. finley is not even that good anymore, and barry is only offense while delfino is a good slasher, and finisher around the rim, maurice evans gives you hustle, boards, D, 3's and a guy who can get above the rim. dice gives us everything while horry gives you only offense. and i would take a guy who knows how to win in dale davis, and a good shotblocker in darko over rasho and oberto. look at some of the threads some of your spur fans are worried about the vabexel and finley tandem.
you idiot, that's what he's saying no one is bragging in detroit. the detroit bench isn't as weak as you think. when playoffs come hunter and dale davis will help the bench.
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