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Harvey is an opinion columnist. He's not the beat writer (Ludden) or NBA columnist (Monroe) -- their job is to report. Harvey's job is to give his opinion.
You did get that part right, but the example you used in your reasoning was rediculous.Big ing deal, Harvey is a tool.
This article was hilarious, and I think it's awsome that Harvey took full advantage of the power he was given as a columnist.
Harvey is doing what any columnist in San Antonio should do- we are a one-horse town so everyone, EVERYONE, is going to be biased. And being that Harvey is, for the most part, a columnist in a one-horse beat, he is EXPECTED to be biased as well.
Harvey is an opinion columnist. He's not the beat writer (Ludden) or NBA columnist (Monroe) -- their job is to report. Harvey's job is to give his opinion.
Seattle would lose right now with Phil Jackson as the head coach and his assistants were Greg Popovich, Pat Riley, Mike Krycewski, Bob Knight, and Avery Johnson.
STFU.
I guess I didn't clarify the context of that.Harvey is an opinion columnist. He's not the beat writer
beat- n. The area regularly covered by a reporter, a police officer, or a sentry
I meant that he was the only Spurs opinion columnist- or at least the only one who strictly writes opinion pieces- and as such his bias is going to be more extreme. If the EN had another Spurs opinion columnist and let the two play off eachother, then Harvey wouldn't take the beating he has been (in this thread) from guys who argue the other side of the fence.
Yeah I was really directing my post at the couple posters earlier that were complaining that Harvey was stating opinions rather than reporting facts.
It's his job to state opinions.
Which explans why Hill got the job in the first place. No point in wasting money on a REAL coach, now, is there? Glad to see you're finally getting it, short stuff.
And I hang with Kori and LJ Ellis....so what.Oh... btw... I throw down beers with the son of the Spurs Statistician... so I know more than ya think..........
I talk nightly with the Mavericks statistician, the Cowboys statistician, the 2006 Cotton Bowl statistician, the Dallas Desperados statisician and the Fort Worth Flyers statisician (all the same person).
That doesn't make me anymore knowledgable about the inner workings of those teams' locker rooms/GM rooms.
Go make dinner, short stuff.
Sequ learned they Spurs don't set picks for Parker from the second cousin of the cotton candy hawker.
Quit stereotyping then chopstick.
Most people can turn on the TV, read NBA.com and a newspaper and figure out what happens in a game, I was just pulling your chain egg roll.
Last time I checked registering for an internet forum didn't involve obtaining a masters degree in hoopology suzuki samari.
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Shoog and others,
There are a number of privileges when it comes to libel claims (which this is since it is written, not spoken, which is slander).
One of them is the opinion privilege.
So if I were to say "Buck Harvey is a mean person for writing that column about Bob Hill," that is my opinion and can't be proven true or false since my definition of mean might be different for others and then, can't be a statement of fact.
The offending statements also have to be defamatory in nature.
Buck would also have to knowingly write what he knows to be false as well as cause harm to Hill for the statements.
Just a guess, but most of the folks blasting Buck Harvey have no recollection of the 1996 playoffs. As a fan, I was seething at the way Hill was outcoached in those playoffs against Utah.
At the very worst, Pop is guilty of bad timing, although I would argue that the longer he waited to fire Hill, the worse the timing.
Had Hill remained to coach the Spurs after Duncan was drafted, I'd be surprised to know that the Spurs would have ever won a le. 1999 perhaps, but no way could Hill coach a team past the Lakers in 2003 or Detroit in 2005.
Look, Harvey is just a hater. The Spurs have won 3 championships since then and everything here just smells like roses.
I would rather see columnists write articles about Pop's reasons for starting Finley when he should be starting Manu and vice versa regarding Nazr and Rasho...
or why is Beno still on the team or why Holt refuses to fill the other 2 spots, etc. etc..
Timvp should have that job.
Buck Harvey is a waste of column space.
The point is (and was made before) that Buck, like Kori, would have more knowledge of the inner workings and goings-on of the team since they are around them on a more consistent basis.
When I want information about the Spurs (that allows me to take in as many thoughts as possible and form my OWN OPINIONS), I go to them.
When I want information about being bald and short (that allows me to take in as many thoughts as possible and form my OWN OPINIONS), I'll come to you.
Tell me, Kevin, how many practices have you attended this season? How many times have you observed the locker room before and after a game? How many times have you shot the with Pop or TD when the mics are put away and the cameras off? Then your "knowledge" and "insight" of the Spurs are as limited as mine are.
Oh, but I forgot, you slang some Natty Light with the statistician. So tell us, what's the latest deal on the table to get some help in the frontcourt?
I don't disagree with you there.
LJ's knowledge of the game and stlye in his writing would be a welcome opinion.
That would be the toughest part of proving defamation as a legal matter -- Hill would arguably qualify as a public figure, which, IIRC, means that he can prevail only if he could prove that Harvey wrote defamatory statements and did so with actual malice.
It's the principle that got Larry Flynt off the hook when he published a parody suggesting that Jerry Falwell's first time was an incestuous fling in an outhouse.
Exactly.
I also believe the secondary part that got Flynt off was that it was satirical.
What is there to know? It's laid out right on the table for all to see.
Duncan hurt, Manu wants to start, Nazr is obviously in the dog house..........
Dude, there isn't any info that I really want to know... no one wants Rasho, Beno, Barry, Nazr or PJ Carlesimo, so what does it matter?
The only trade that will happen is if Bruce and Finley are involved. Most of you are trying to trade Rasho for a hall of famer which doesn't work.
The Spurs still can't score, so what insight is there on that? They play defense.. have done so for the Pop era.
I could careless about their personal lives, because mine is more important.
So tell me, what is attending practice going to do for anyone? Nothing is going on.
There are a few posters in here that are very good friends with Devin Brown. Do you want their insight?
Except this discussion was predicated on Buck's column about Bob Hill, which is strange since you also said THE EXACT SAME THING BUCK DID ABOUT BOB HILL NOT WANTING TO BE AN ASSISTANT.
Let's see, when I need to know what's going on with Devin, who do I talk to first? His friends or a guy who once screamed out Hedo Turkoglu's name at a GTG?
I guarantee they'd probably be better equipped to give me information about Devin Brown than you would.
True, but New York Times v. Sullivan provides the principle that public figures have diminished rights when it comes to printed materials and can prove defamation (or any related tort) only by showing actual malice by the writer/publisher.
As for Buck's position in the column, I don't see anything that is off base in his assessments. Bob Hill has been a crappy coach other than a 2 year run where he had David Robinson. More than that, though, people apparently don't like Bob Hill -- for whatever reason.
My guess is that Hill's unpopular because he's far too willing to throw the people around him under the bus when things go wrong -- that he's wholly unwilling to accept personal responsibility for his failures. Look at his thoughts about Fordham: he just says that the school won't ever win, deflecting any responsibility from himself for the failures there. But last year, they were 13-16 and went 8-8 in their conference. It may be a small school, (it's not as if it's some community college) but so is Duke. Fordham is big enough that it plays in the Atlantic 10. It's not as if it's in podunk either -- the main campus is in Bronx.
He's still blaming Popovich, too, instead of accepting the possibility that his firing in San Antonio was warranted given the horrendous playoff flameouts in 1995 and 1996. The absence of David Robinson in early 1996-97 just exposed the truth that Hill's success was almost entirely a product of David's greatness. You can say that the same is true of Popovich, and I doubt that Pop would deny it, but Pop has also put some pelts on the wall and managed to reach the summit with his superstar.
Obviously, you don't have a clue.I guarantee they'd probably be better equipped to give me information about Devin Brown than you would.
I didn't realize you were Devin Brown.
See, when I assign a story to a reporter. I ask them to speak with people who would actually know about the situation in question, not just random people off the street.
Another thing...why don't you stop being a little and tell the person who the E-N cares about what he thinks rather than me about writing a column about the rebounding or Manu/Finley.
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This article wasn't deflamation.
Most people in SA that picked up today's paper probably don't give a about Bob Hill, in fact probably all of them don't except for his neighbors.
All of the things that are going on in the Sportsworld and this dip writes a column on Bob Hill on a Sunday, the biggest circulation day of the week.
That's what you call a tool....
How about an article on Mic e Wie missing another cut when she hasn't won on her own tour?????????
How about San Diego owning Harberger????
How about the fall of the Patriots?
but no..... an article on Bob Hill, an employed millionaire head coach in the NBA who is still gettting paid by a Division 1 College... lmao.
you really are a waste of time.....
I'll leave that to you because you probably emailed the topic like a whining .
But they care about Mic e Wie?
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say more people in the E-N's circ area care about the Spurs than the PGA/LPGA.
I have to remind my own columnists many times that less people probably GAF about what a college student thinks about President Bush than care about what they think about allegations of police brutality on the Texas State campus.
Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Buck has a deadline of sometime before last night's game was over.
Put up or shut up, you little pussy.
Stop ing to me (who doesn't have the column inches of a Buck Harvey) and write to Buck Harvey (who actually does the writing you care so much about).
Don't take your football and go home.
I knew you were short and bitter, but I never thought you were a pussy who couldn't hold a legitimate debate until now.
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