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He said he's not in the party.
I ask you a direct question and you gave me a bash the republicans answer.
I'll ask it again, who are the democrat designated mouthpieces of the party?
He said he's not in the party.
I gave you a direct answer -- it was the answer that informed my first post on the subject. I would guess that the Democrat designated mouthpiece, for the moment is Howard Dean, as Chair of that party. That is unfortunate for the Democrats, but it is their choice.
It still strikes me as unseemly for one side to suggest, though, that it may designate mouthpieces for the other party by simply cherry-picking through unfortunate statements and then ascribing those views to the entire party. Like I say, I doubt Republicans would take much shine to adopting the views espoused by Pat Robertson, who is undoubtedly a Republican, but who says some really stupid things.
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Robertson is not chairman of the RNC he's a minor player like Harry Bellafonte.
Dean is a major player and Michael Moore played a huge role for the democrats in the last election. There are some rational people in the democrat party but the lunes are drowning you guys out.
A. Again, I'm not a member of the Democratic Party. I fundamentally disagree with a two-party system, since neither side can accurately reflect my views (and, indeed, since neither party is confined to any particular viewpoint). I vote for Republicans in some cases, I vote for Democrats in others. I realize that that is a quaint idea to the "world is black and white" gang, but it's mine.
B. Again, who defines who plays a huge role for a party in an election? Are you honestly suggesting that Michael Moore's role for the Democrats was somehow larger than Pat Robertson's was for the Republicans? Have you ever sat and watched Pat Robertson's television show? During the 2004 campaign, that show (5 nights a week, I'm guessing) was a running infomercial for the President's campaign. Pat Robertson is no different in type than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. Yet, somehow, the suggestion that Pat Robertson might exemplify and express the true nature of the Republican philosophy is not tenable? You must be kidding me.
When Harry Belafonte's television network starts pimping for Democratic candidates, I'll buy your comparing Belafonte and Robertson's roles in the parties.
1. some people would say you stand for nothing. however, you've made it clear in this thread and others you more than lean left. back to the topic at hand, republicans haven't chosen the democrat mouthpieces the democrats have done a good job of that themselves. Republican mouthpieces are Rove, talk radio, Mccain, and unfortunately not Mr. Bush.
2. Michael Moore was some sort of dignitary at the DNC national convention if I remember correctly? So to answer you question the DNC.
Because I don't allow my views to be governed by the platforms of the major political parties, I stand for nothing? You have got to be kidding me. Independence was once a cherished value in this country. Now you're telling me that independence is a lack of a political mooring? That I refuse to buy into the politics of polarity, I'm without principles? No wonder politics is so screwed up these days.
Because right-wing radio has defined those people as the mouthpieces of that party. Again, that's precisely my point. The Republicans have defined who their own mouthpieces are and have undertaken to define who the Democrats mouthpieces are, inevitably resisting the opportunity to characterize Joe Lieberman and those like him as possibly speaking for most Democrats. I find that dichotomy puzzling. That's all.
Regarding Michael Moore and the Democratic convention. He was there on press pass. I am not going to take the time to look it up but I think he was at the Republican convention as well.
Republican mouthpieces?
Actual party apparatchiks:
George W. Bush
Tom Delay
"Darth" Cheney
Grover Norquist
James Dobson
Actual unabashed media types that don't hide they are:
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Joe Scarborough
Pat Robertson
Some weasel media types who won't admit what they are:
Chris Matthews
Bill O'Reilly
Fox News
Campbell Brown
CNN
I would agree with most of that.
give me some examples of where you vote republican?
Did right wing radio elect Howard Dean? Did right wing radio get Moore the seat next ot Jimmy Carter at the DNC national convention? Place blame in the right places.Because right-wing radio has defined those people as the mouthpieces of that party. Again, that's precisely my point. The Republicans have defined who their own mouthpieces are and have undertaken to define who the Democrats mouthpieces are, inevitably resisting the opportunity to characterize Joe Lieberman and those like him as possibly speaking for most Democrats. I find that dichotomy puzzling. That's all.
Where would you logically start to name the "mouthpieces" of the dimm-o-craps.
Ms. Lewinsky maybe. Okay I am being a smartaxx. How about the NYT, Dan
Rather, Peter Jennings (RIP), Ted Kennedy, John Kerry. Is Liberman allowed, guess
not. Everyone is down on him. Would JFK count? He would not ever be considered
as contender in to days world. How about FDR, he used his power as President to
to untold things. Only the Dimms can answer the question. As a Conservative, who
votes Republican, I can only listen to the dimms as a whole and wonder if they
have any one person speaking for them. I really don't think so because they
don't do anything but oppose Bush, never come forth with any idea. They don't
realize that the US of A is a battleground, and yes it is. The don't know beans
from shinola about anything but so called "human rights", except they don't want
to really protect Americans, just the rights of all humans. Well except the
unborn and the old folks with a problem. If you cant get them coming, get
them going. Where are the dimms ideas? And who really does speak for them.
I damn sure don't know.
I'm not sure what difference any of that makes.
Nevertheless, if you really want to know: I voted for George H.W. Bush in 1992. I vote, generally, for Republican judges on civil court benches in Texas. I vote for Republican candidates for the representative bodies where their ideas and philosophies are close to my own. For crissakes, in 2004, I voted in the Republican primary specifically to aid judicial candidates I wanted to see in the general election.
Is that good enough for whatever point you're seeking to make?
just curious. What is it about Republican Judges you like?
Gawd, what's that smell?....oh yeah, BS!.
"Ugh, i did vote Republican, like for the PTA and a beuty pageant! YOu see, i'm non partisan!"
Thanks for elevating the level of the debate.
This forum constantly reminds me that many (on both sides) struggle with the concept of independent thought.Thanks for elevating the level of the debate.
I've never seen anything resembling independent thought from you. It's always left.
Because only right-wing thought is independent thought?
Hey 2Cents, do you want to see a more fiscally responsible administration in the White House?
Only a yes or no please.
No. I'm on record as saying I wish there was a viable alternative.
open up your mind and read the threads. You're trying to portray yourself as an independent but I haven't seen a trace of independence from you. If I'm wrong I'll apologize but you got to show me some proof. btw, is only left-wing thought independent?
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Way to encourage well-reasoned stances and independent thought.
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