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That doesn't make sense.
The Pistons starters are playing the same (if not more) minutes. They are "getting off the floor" at the same rate.
But minutes are minutes. They are still on the floor playing basketball for the same amount of minutes as they were last season. You were acting like the depth, 9-man rotation, etc was keeping them off the court more this season. It isn't.
You are right in that your differential this season is far better than last year (something like +9 to +3) but that isn't resting your players. If you are blowing them out so often, get your starters off the court if you want to combat fatigue.
That doesn't make sense.
The Pistons starters are playing the same (if not more) minutes. They are "getting off the floor" at the same rate.
Same time.
haaha great minds
IF manu and Duncan still have 2 legs in the Finals, they won't let the Spurs lose.
Yes, it does. It's the difference between a final minute where the Pistons have to get three key stops and score, or if they are being fouled as the ball is in-bounded. The physical wear and tear is less this season. They couldn't keep their opponent from coming back (because of scoring droughts). Therefore, the Pistons had to play a full 48 minutes to win a game.
The bench can also make plays. I can't think of a game last season when the Bench got the Pistons back into a game or played better than a starter. Darko Milicic in Milwaukee, Maurice Evans and Carlos Delfino against the Celtics, and Carlos Delfino in Chicago - the bench has won games for the Pistons.
If 48 minutes is 48 minutes, why do some games take 3 hours and other take 2 hours, 12 minutes? The minutes are easier than last season.
They are still playing basketball for the same amount of minutes. I understand now that you think they are not play "hard" minutes but if you tell an NBA player that, they'll laugh their ass off. Every minute on the basketball court, players are exerting energy (unless they are lazy). If you actually want them to be less fatigued, they need to get off the court .. not just get "easier" minutes.
Because of stoppage in play. I don't understand the relevance of this -- they aren't playing during the stoppages. There's still only 48 minutes of playing time.
I'm fuzzy on the difference in quality of minutes, too. If they don't mean the same thing, then why is the team on the floor? Why is it even a stat? But at very least it has to mean that either the games aren't as close as they seem or that Detroit doesn't have faith in their bench.
He is only the best player in the league and a big reason why our frontline got in foul trouble. As much as I love this post I am getting sick of Piston fans like you using bull excuses. We lost that ing series because of the Spurs being a better team and Tim Duncan doing the things GREAT LEGENDARY players do. No way to spin this. This is a different season for us move on and give this team their dues. If you are going to use injuries and fatigue as an excuse it makes you along with most Piston fans looking like we lack balls. This is a great year for us so stop using the "what if" card on last season and enjoy the success that is happening right now.
Wouldn't the longer games be easier because there are more breaks in the action? The quick games are quick because there are no stoppages.If 48 minutes is 48 minutes, why do some games take 3 hours and other take 2 hours, 12 minutes?
Umm...'cause Spurs>Nets? 'Cause CIA Popovich probably has some mind-game to prompt Sheed to camp out at the 3-point line? 'Cause Flip might not trust the bench to turn it around if the starters are playing like ass?
Mainly, because it's still only January, and the Spurs seem to have a lot more room to improve than the Pistons (if you ignore the NJ game tonight...)
Hopefully they do meet in the Finals because last season's NBA Finals was incredible basketball and I don't think any other teams in the Finals would be the same to me. The teams are fairly evenly matched. The Pistons' front court is obviously more athletic, but I'll take a healthy Tim Duncan over anyone else in the league in a 7-game series. And the other Big Two (Manu and Tony) have an incredible will to win. Manu is a winner in his blood and I think he's an amazing playoff performer. Tony really has something to prove in the postseason and I think the improvements that he's shown this season will bode well in the playoffs. Plus Pop > Flip. So I'll take Spurs in 7 again.
Because the Spurs are the best defensive team in the league and the Pistons have made that less of a priority. I understand what they "did" to the Spurs in the two games this year, but the stats are the stats; Detroit is middlin in the defensive statistic categories; that dedication that LB MADE them adhere to is no longer there. THAT doesn't raise its head 'til the playoffs. I know, I watched the Bob Hill Spurs.
I thing in a series, the Spurs will better be able to stop the Pistons doing what they like best than vice-versa.
Tim Duncan, the 2004-05 Finals MVP, shot .419 in that series. Because, the Pistons employed a defensive strategy of man-to-man when Duncan was on the block with a weak-side defender at the basket. In the fourth quarter and overtime of game five, this is how Horry ended up being so open and effective.
When the Pistons no longer had that as an option because of foul trouble - I'm not saying that the calls were erroneous or that Duncan didn't have something to do with that - there was nothing they could do to stop Tim Duncan. Duncan after game seven:
"It wasn't the greatest of games but there was a stretch where I felt really good and I just wanted to be assertive at that point," Duncan said.
I was elated after the Finals, as a fan of the NBA because TD now has better credentials to claim the "Most Dominant Big Man of his Generation" over Shaquille O'Neal. He has as many les, as many Finals MVPs, and two Regular Season MVPs while possessing much more in terms of footwork and all-around game than the self-proclaimed "MDE."
But that doesn't mean I didn't watch game seven eight or nine times this summer. It doesn't mean I don't know where things turned. When Prince ended up on Duncan in the post after McDyess heads to the bench, Duncan's first easy shot got him going. It doesn't mean I didn't watch to see how the Pistons built a 12-point lead, Bruce Bowen block Billups shot, and Prince's final shot rattle out. I'm not whining about "oh, they don't deserve the le." I am not cheapening the accomplishments or saying the Pistons lost, the Spurs didn't win. I am saying it was close, this is where the holes on the Pistons were in relation to the Spurs, and I think the Pistons have addressed them. It's not a "what if" scenario; it's using last year's Finals as a starting point to evaluate the two teams.
This is the same thing, by the way, I did when looking at the Rasheed trade. I was on the internet the morning of the trading deadline, having just read Marc Stein's column about the Pistons needing someone to take Chucky Atkins. Up to this point, I had been critical of the Rasheed rumors. But then I got to thinking: he's a rent-a-player, February to the end of the playoffs. Much like Nick Van Exel in Dallas, I thought he would welcome the opportunity to play for a playoff team with a serious chance to get to the Finals. Then I thought about this for a second:
The Pacers were wiping the floor with the Pistons. There was no way that they would beat the Pacers for the Central Division lead, and JO had just ended the Pistons franchise-tying 13-game winning streak in January. Elden Campbell, Memo Okur - it didn't matter. The Pistons didn't have anyone defensively to match up with O'Neal. But then I got to thinking: If Rasheed can do just what Cliff Robinson did - match the length of O'Neal, keep him at bay, it doesn't matter. There's no way Jeff Foster keeps Ben Wallace off the glass. The same could be said for Kenyon Martin and Jason Collins. And there's no way the third guy (Scot Pollard, Aaron Williams) can handle Memo Okur. The Pistons were killed on the board in the East Finals last season, and the Pistons were two shots away from that being a 2-2 tied series. This is going to be good.
That's all I did in that post. What teams were standing between the Pistons and the 2004 NBA Finals? What team is standing between the Pistons and the 2006 NBA Championship?
Isn't that showing a level of respect to the Spurs?
good lord. Must all your posts be so damn long. LOL
Darrin is the Pistons' fans version of Whottt.
Don't worry. After tonight, you'll probably never see me on this board again (until the NBA Finals if our two teams make it).
Nah, don't leave. Hang around awhile!
I'm not worried. I told my husband like an hour ago that you are a really good poster. I wasn't making fun of you - you just make very long (and strong) arguments, like one of our posters named Whottt.
That doesn't explain the last shot in Game 5 when Horry was open due to a REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY bad defensive decision by Sheed.Tim Duncan, the 2004-05 Finals MVP, shot .419 in that series. Because, the Pistons employed a defensive strategy of man-to-man when Duncan was on the block with a weak-side defender at the basket. In the fourth quarter and overtime of game five, this is how Horry ended up being so open and effective.
No, it doesn't. But it does explain the other 18 points in the final 17 minutes of the game. That shot...it made me think about 10 years back when Sean Elliott's lazy bum (not a referendum on his career, just that one year with Detroit) was traded to Houston for Big Shot Rob and Matt Bullard, a trade voided by Elliott's kidney condition. The Pistons ended up trading Dennis Rodman, arguably the best rebounder ever, essentially for the draft rights to Bill Curley and a 2nd-round pick.
Much like Dumars and the failed Allen Iverson for Jerry Stackhouse and Jerome Williams trade in the summer of 2000, I just kept saying "He should f'ing be doing that for us."
I didn't speak for six hours after that game (the game got over around 12:00 AM EST) and I couldn't sleep. I knew the Pistons had just lost the Championship. I have probably taken only one Pistons loss harder than that game 5, and that was game 4 against the '91 Bulls in the Conference Finals.
They had pushed their luck in Miami, and the Spurs weren't the inexperienced Heat. No way they win back-to-back games on the road in the Finals. No way. Then a smile would come over my face...but if they did... and just as quickly disappear, because I knew they wouldn't do it. They hadn't won in San Antonio since Tim Duncan was drafted. They had exactly 2 wins in San Antonio during David Robinson's career, one of them in 1997 when he didn't play. One game, maybe. Two was just too difficult.
And that commentary played for six straight hours.
Feel lucky you didn't go through .4I didn't speak for six hours after that game (the game got over around 12:00 AM EST) and I couldn't sleep.
Ah yes, I remember, did you get that ugly feeling in the pit of you stomach? It feels like your stomach drops 3 feet. ing .4 bs
this is a terrible thread
all these examples of how the spurs can beat the pistons are pipe dreams. i'm just being realistic, we honestly have no chance to actually win the series against them. even if WE got the homecourt i cant see us beating the pistons in a best of 7. they are playing out of their minds and considering we barely beat them last year and that they've gotten twice as good i really see our chances of beating the pistons in 7 next to none
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