A Democratic Congressman is what was announced...an as yet unidentified Democratic Congressman.
I think the "no protests in House Chambers" has been on the "books" for some time and enforced by both sides. I'd bet the Sergeant at Arms arrested her on impulse, as the violation presented itself, because, face it -- there were a lot of pricks in the chamber tonight the President would have like to see dragged from that building in handcuffs.
Sheehan was the most inane of the bunch.
Rep. Lynn Woolsey of California, last I heard.
Yes and no.A stupid b*** who lost her son to an illegal war?
Yes, she lost her son. A son that signed up voluntarily and went back for a second tour (sounds like he was hating it).
Illegal? Fun talking point for the Democratic party, but a misnomer.
And yeah, above all she's a stupid . She's let some ed up people like George Soros and Michael Moore put the screws to her head so much she's nothing but an extremely left leaning trainwreck.
This ain't a war, it's an operation
Isn't that basically how yall want to view anyone who opposes the illegal war and calls Bush on his lies?
SA, I have agreed with you before, but I have to stray from your thoughts on this one. Cindy Sheehan started with a very noble cause, protesting the war that took the life of her son, but she erred in her path. I have no problem with her protesting, as dissent is the highest form of patriotism, but she did, in effect, let her message become distorted by the random radicals.
Once more, I am not saying that war protestors are radical in general, just that this one misguided woman wad led astray by the few. The problem is not in her goal, but in the way she went towards that point. Many of the statements she has made are completely absurd, and do disservice to the anti-war effort and the democratic party in general. Sheehan needs to go home because she is making a complete fool out of herself, and has lost the respect she originally had from me.
I've been skeptical of Cindy ever since I heard her (on C-Span) call Bush a coward for not meeting with her that time she camped out waiting for him.
I am by no means a Bush fan. But even I will give the man that he is too busy for Cindy's shenanigans.
Out of curiousity though, anyone read Cindy's book " Not another mother's child?" Was it any good?
She is American is she not? We are supposed to have certain liberties, are we not? Then again we are under the Bush administration.
Freedom of speech or not? I'm tired of the whole," I have sympathy for her loosing her son, but she's stupid and radical" remarks.
Hiding that she wore a shirt that had the number "2245 killed, how many more", refering to the illegal war doesn't make the facts go away, which is, we are in a bs war and these people are dying everyday. Funny how Bush talked about how we should value life last night.
She has a right and was invited. Once someone has a passion to have the guts to stand up to a corrupt adminstration, she automatically is looked at as a radical crazy woman who just wants to be on camera, because it's easier to label her that way to avoid the truth.
Activism doesn't mean to make your point for a little while, then give up, you keep going with intentional action to bring about social or political change. She doesn't want anyone else dying. And you call her crazy for that? Even some of the Dems are wimps with no backbone to try and say she's wrong and turn their back on her because they are too worried of being associated with her, because how she's been labeled.
Law? She broke the law by wearing words on her shirt that spoke the truth, with no curse words, or not even using Bush' name. Seems hypicritical of many.
Law: The President must get a court order for wiretaps. He said it himself.
But he wasn't sitting in jail was he, he was allowed to make his speech. So don't give me this whole wimpy "she broke the law" crap. Because afterall, Bush is President.
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I do not believe Sheehans civil liberties should be obstructed, I do not believe that Sheehan should have been forcefully removed. However, I will not take a step back from my comment that she is a disgrace to the democratic party and the anti-war groups. She is completely out in left field, and I, once more, have no problem with her goal, merely some of the ignorance that spews from her mouth.
In my opinion, this was another intentional stunt by Cindy. It should have been a great honor to have been invited to hear the State of the Union Speech. She probably knew the law, but chose to be an idiot so that she could get herself arrested.
Everyone knows who she is and what she stands for - could she not have been mildly civil for one night? And, it is my understanding that they asked her politely to cover her shirt and she refused. They gave her a chance and she didn't take advantage of it. She got what she deserved (and probably wanted!).
Tuesday, January 31st, 2005
What Really Happened.
...a message from Cindy Sheehan
Dear Friends,
As most of you have probably heard, I was arrested before the State of the Union Address tonight.
I am speechless with fury at what happened and with grief over what we have lost in our country.
There have been lies from the police and distortions by the press. (Shocker) So this is what really happened:
This afternoon at the People's State of the Union Address in DC where I was joined by Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh. Lynn brought me a ticket to the State of the Union Address. At that time, I was wearing the shirt that said: 2,245 Dead. How many more?
After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.
I got the ticket back from John, and I met one of Congresswoman Barbara Lee's staffers in the Longworth Congressional Office building and we went to the Capitol via the underground tunnel. I went through security once, then had to use the rest room and went through security again.
My ticket was in the 5th gallery, front row, fourth seat in. The person who in a few minutes was to arrest me, helped me to my seat.
I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled, "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like, "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight.
The officer ran with me to the elevators yelling at everyone to move out of the way. When we got to the elevators, he cuffed me and took me outside to await a squad car. On the way out, someone behind me said, "That's Cindy Sheehan." At which point the officer who arrested me said, "Take these steps slowly." I said, "You didn't care about being careful when you were dragging me up the other steps." He said, "That's because you were protesting." Wow, I get hauled out of the People's House because I was, "Protesting."
I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things...I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately, and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."
After I had my personal items inventoried and my fingers printed, a nice Sgt. came in and looked at my shirt and said, "2,245, huh? I just got back from there."
I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.
What did Casey die for? What did the 2,244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this? I can't even wear a shirt that has the number of troops on it that George Bush and his arrogant and ignorant policies are responsible for killing.
I wore the shirt to make a statement. The press knew I was going to be there and I thought every once in awhile they would show me and I would have the shirt on. I did not wear it to be disruptive, or I would have unzipped my jacket during George's speech. If I had any idea what happens to people who wear shirts that make the neocons uncomfortable...that I would be arrested...maybe I would have, but I didn't.
There have already been many wild stories out there.
I have some lawyers looking into filing a First Amendment lawsuit against the government for what happened tonight. I will file it. It is time to take our freedoms and our country back.
I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ultimate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government. That's why I am going to take my freedoms and liberties back. That's why I am not going to let Bushco take anything else away from me...or you.
I am so appreciative of the couple of hundred protesters who came to the jail while I was locked up to show their support....we have so much potential for good...there is so much good in so many people.
Four hours and 2 jails after I was arrested, I was let out. Again, I am so upset and sore it is hard to think straight.
Keep up the struggle...I promise you I will too. Love and peace soon,
Cindy
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She says she was never told to take the T-Shirt off or to zip up her jacket to cover it up. She says she was just taken away and they left her with bruises and muscle spasms.
I wonder, What would the officer have done if he saw a guest wearing a shirt that supported Bush? That's a rhetorical question, of course.
I wonder, What would the officer have done if he saw a guest wearing a shirt that supported Bush? That's a rhetorical question, of course.
You know "protest" and "support" in no way, shape or form have similar meanings right? I mean, if there is a law that's been in place for years prohibiting protesting in the Capital building and it has been enforced by several administrations regardless of party...what makes it okay that Cindy Sheehan should be an exception?
And that really doesn't strike me as an event anyone should be wearing a t-shirt to anyway, regardless of what's written on it. If you don't respect the administration, at least respect the tradition.
I feel terrible for her. She has a legitimate concern and every right to express it, but the radical fruitcakes got a hold of her at her most vulnerable to the point where she's completely lost her marbles.
Florida Rep.'s Wife Says She Was Ejected From State Of Union
POSTED: 7:07 am EST February 1, 2006
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom."
Beverly Young told the St. Petersburg Times that she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave.
She said she reluctantly agreed, but argued with several officers in an outside hallway.
In a telephone interview with the newspaper, Young said she told them her shirt wasn't a protest but a message of support.
Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Young wasn't ejected from the gallery and she left on her own. She couldn't provide additional details.
Young's husband found out about the incident after Bush's speech and called it unacceptable.
Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html
Lost her marbles because she doesn't agree with you. She supports no more death to our troops. That's support. But, an activist message in support of Bush, I'm sure this wouldn't have happened in the way it did. Leaving them with bruises.
touche!
Was she left with bruises and muscle spasms? I think not. So laughing about such a thing shows your morals.touche!
Assuming you even have a ing clue what I think about the whole thing...I don't give a rat's ass whether she agrees with me or not. I appreciate what she's trying to do but her methods of doing it are ing stupid. The lady is off her rocker.
Did she put up a fight, oh moral-ful one? ""
Sorry, I have no sympathy in that regard. That wouldn't have happened if she'd left peacefully or dressed appropriately to begin with.
That's the easy thing to say about her. To disregard her views easily by calling her crazy. Again, was the other woman left with bruises and muscle spasms and rushed out and arrested?
Yea, that's what I thought.
Did you not learn anything from my previous post? Did you read her letter or you just responded with your prejudgment of her?Did she put up a fight, oh moral-ful one? "
Sorry, I have no sympathy in that regard. That wouldn't have happened if she'd left peacefully or dressed appropriately to begin with.
She said she was never given a chance to leave peacefully. She was immediately rush away and arrested being left with bruises and muscle spasms. She said they never asked her to leave, they never asked her to cover it up, they just rushed her out.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that?
When did I disregard her views? The other woman didn't resist. DUH.
"GET THOSE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OUT OF OCCUPIED NEW ORLEANS!!!"
Or whatever the it was. Yeah, she's got it together.
And I don't buy the whole "poor little old lady got hurt for not doing a single, itty bitty thing wrong" routine. "They've" been having her pull far too many similar stunts for a while now for her not to know whatever she does is not without consequence.
Last edited by SpursWoman; 02-01-2006 at 11:52 AM.
I think it's hilarious she decided to get herself arrested and taken out of chambers, before the speech started.
Can you imagine how many times the networks would have cut to her every time the President mentioned Iraq or "terra" or sacrifice, etc...
She could have extended her 15 minutes by a good 45 seconds had she sat down, shut up, and been respectful. But, that's not the way of the Looney Left.
Again,
Did you not learn anything from my previous post? Did you read her letter or you just responded with your prejudgment of her?
She said she was never given a chance to leave peacefully. She was immediately rush away and arrested being left with bruises and muscle spasms. She said they never asked her to leave, they never asked her to cover it up, they just rushed her out.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that?
No kidding. She would have gotten a ton of attention, possibly more than she could have imagined, if she'd have just played along.
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