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    He was right. That place is a dump and has gotten trashy lately. And by "lately", I mean it got trashy about a month after it opened.

    I don't even think she cares about his family, I'm sure the first thing that wen't through her mind was her career when she found about about the suicide.

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    Exactly how hard would it have been for her to begin a dialogue with her cons uent instead of reporting him to his company?

    What would she have done if he had sent the e-mail from his personal account. I have a feeling she knew that Zachry would fire him if she reported him to them.

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    I think she did it so that she could get her name in the news really. She figured this dude would be an easy mark to play the race card with since he was a white guy complaining about trash from other parts of the city going to that club. Which is completely true by the way. She knew what she was doing when she made a contact to get him canned.

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    I think she did it so that she could get her name in the news really. She figured this dude would be an easy mark to play the race card with since he was a white guy complaining about trash from other parts of the city going to that club. Which is completely true by the way. She knew what she was doing when she made a contact to get him canned.
    I agree 100%

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    FYI, Zachry said he was fired because of the ass complaint from the coucilwoman, not for using the company computer to send out a personal e-mail.

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    Zachry employee fired over e-mail commits suicide

    Web Posted: 02/03/2006 12:00 AM CST

    Brian Chasnoff
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    A former employee of Zachry Construction Corp. died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head Thursday — the same week he was fired for sending an e-mail to a city councilwoman who deemed the message "very racial and very discriminatory."

    George erson, 52, was pronounced dead around 9:15 a.m. in the backyard of his home in the 600 block of Glencrest. Police said his death was a suicide.

    His suicide occurred the same day the San Antonio Express-News ran an article detailing an e-mail erson sent Monday to City Councilwoman Elena Guajardo. In it, erson complained about Graham Central Station, a large nightclub across from Oak Hills, the Northwest Side subdivision where erson lived with his wife.

    In a short note left on a desk, erson wrote, "Due to past and current events, I've decided to end my life," said John Oberman, a cousin of erson's.

    "I don't think (media coverage) was an issue" in the suicide, Oberman said, speaking Thursday morning outside erson's home. "I think he was mostly upset over losing his job."

    A local psychologist, speaking in general terms, said it is rare for a single event in a person's life to drive him or her to suicide.

    "In general, when people do suicide, there's really a lot more than just being fired that has taken place," said Dr. Elizabeth Stanczak, a psychologist at the University of Texas at San Antonio.

    The Express-News generally does not report on suicides unless they or the cir stances surrounding them are public.

    Guajardo expressed sadness after learning about the suicide, which became the buzz of talk radio stations throughout the day. The councilwoman said she didn't expect erson's e-mail to become an issue of media interest.

    "Personally, it was never the intent to go to the media," Guajardo said. "And we did not, our office did not. My heart just really goes out to the family right now." (Yeah right...)

    The Express-News obtained a copy of the e-mail through a third party.

    On Wednesday, Guajardo called Zachry to ask that erson not be fired, according to John Puder, the councilwoman's assistant. She suggested the company put erson in sensitivity training or allow him to volunteer in a low-income district, Puder said.

    In his e-mail to Guajardo, erson had railed against the "undesirable, low-class elements from bad parts of the city" that the club attracts "into our upper-class part of the city for which we pay a very large tax burden in which to live to be safe and away from such elements."

    He also wrote that entertainment at the club was of a "lude, lascivious, low-class, debaucheristic, criminalistic, riot insistic, anarchistic nature."

    erson lived in Oak Hills about eight years and recently had met with the neighborhood association to discuss problems with Graham Central Station, which is on Fredericksburg Road just outside Loop 410. His e-mail to Guajardo was meant to rectify long-standing safety concerns related to the nightclub, Oberman said.

    erson "was not racist," Oberman said. "He was concerned about beer bottles, fast drivers and a lot of ruckus going on that was not good for his neighborhood."

    Vicky Waddy, a spokeswoman for Zachry, said erson was fired for violating the company's computer use policy.

    Zachry issued a prepared statement Thursday that read, "We are shocked and saddened to learn of George's death. We regret that this matter became public and evolved into a personal tragedy."

    erson, whom friends and relatives affectionately called "Trip," was an engineer and a builder of antique cars.

    "He was a kind, quiet person," Oberman said.

    According to a police report, erson's wife told police her husband was "very depressed" after being fired from Zachry, where he had worked for 27 years, most recently in the procurement department.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met....1cf0d047.html

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    She needs to lose her job over this debacle.

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    She needs to lose her job over this debacle.
    Damn right, a cons uent sent her a complaint, and instead of responsing to him, he goes to his boss.

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    Damn right, a cons uent sent her a complaint, and instead of responsing to him, he goes to his boss.
    I had not thought of it that way....he did have the right to his opinion, it is her job to listen, she does not have to agree, or do anything about it. Almost every neighborhood has a neighbor they wish would leave becuase of a messy yard, broken down cars. What kind of club is this, brokeback? Rave?
    Did this councilwoman vote or push for the tougher restrictions at strip clubs?

    And going to the boss was out of line, the letter was not threatening, or racial, was a little misguided though. Is there an oath that you take when you become a council(wo)man? Any way to find it?

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    It's a shame that people don't just take a deep breath, sometimes. He obviously didn't learn from the VP that HPZ let go about a year ago for doing basicly the same thing: using company e-mail in an inappropriate manner. He also probably was not a local newswatcher, or he would know that his problem was about to take care of itself. GCS is about an eyelash away from losing their liquor license, and no license, no club, end of story.
    I think they had until March to clean up their act after it was known that bartenders continued to serve drunk clubgoers. I want to say it was because some kid killed a passenger in his car coming out of GCS along Callaghan. He was doin about 100 mph or some .

    This guy had a pretty valid complaint.

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    A whopper of a chat!
    Whoever said chatting online was all fun and games never chatted with Victory supporters! The typical Victory community member is politically astute and very knowledgeable of current events. The several dozen of you who joined the Horizon Campaign chat today proved that. Though lots of topics were covered, the discussion centered on Victory Fund’s work to identify and train potential qualified candidates in states that lack ANY openly LGBT representation (Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc.) and states with openly gay officials, but not yet at the state legislative level (Texas, Florida, New Jersey, etc.). Here are a few of my favorite Q & As from today’s chat:

    pinkwhiteblue: Are there many campaigns going on in Texas or Alabama?
    robin_brand> We hope to have a race in Alabama next year. There is a Victory Fund event in Birmingham tonight to talk about getting more candidates and wins in AL and around the South. In Texas, Sue Lovell has a great shot at winning an at-large city council race in Houston. Elena Guajardo became the first LGBT person elected to the San Antonio city council in June.
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    I don't care if she is gay, but if that was the reason for her going after this guy, THAT IS WRONG!

    So, was it a gay bar???

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    Not a gay club.

    And I think she should resign...

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    She has a good resume
    She paid $350 for a four day training to learn how to win a campaign.

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    I don't care if she is gay, but if that was the reason for her going after this guy, THAT IS WRONG!

    So, was it a gay bar???

    I don't think so.

    She jumped to some conclusions and she ended up wrecking the man's life. Granted, suicide is not an outcome to be expected, but did she really expect that she could complain about him without him getting in serious ?

    Totally unprofessional on her part for her to do what she did. Since she's a politician, I suppose there could have been other considerations at play. But what did she know about the man? A person of any race could have written that email. Maybe she needs some sensitivity training.

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    How can I e-mail the council women. I tell that little goody goody off. What a crybaby . It didn't seem like he personally attacked her he's just upset the whole world is going into the can. Its sad when we live in a world where someone can voice a concern and in a blink of the eye a personal observation takes everything away. Sure he shouldn't have sent the e-mail but its not like he ask what color her panties are.

    Someone find me her e-mail I'll show her discrimination.
    http://www.sanantonio.gov/council/d7/

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    Don't do it from work

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    And, for the record, I'm sorry the guy killed himself...but he obviously had bigger problems than this.
    Yep...

    A local psychologist, speaking in general terms, said it is rare for a single event in a person's life to drive him or her to suicide.

    "In general, when people do suicide, there's really a lot more than just being fired that has taken place," said Dr. Elizabeth Stanczak, a psychologist at the University of Texas at San Antonio.
    And, judging from what his brother said...his family doesn't have a clue.

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    Don't do it from work


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    the man never once mentioned race in his letter to her.

    and anyone whose drunk driving, fighting in the street, throwing beer bottles, and making a fool of themselves @ 330 am is lowclass. I don;t care how much money they make or don;t make. thats low class...... and Graham Central certainly falls into that catergory. Didn't they just get thier liquor licsence revoked??

    that lady is a .
    I don't think the area was alll that , that the guy should be complaining. And I do think his email was over the top. But come on! running liek a cry abby to his boss?? low. that was low.

    and he was 52, had been working there for 27 years!! You know what he was losing when he got fired?? 401k, insurance, pension, stocks... you name it.
    he was losing retirement & security... and would basicly have to start form scratch seeing as how he was FIRED from his last job.

    all becasue his represen ive doesn't belive that there are low-class people in the world.

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    And please don't use a Spurstalk email address, would hate for you to get banned or have the site shut down.

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    The guy was a loozer.... move your ass away from the entertainment sector. Let people live life and have a smile.

    YOUR IN THE MIDDLE of a big ing city dumbass move if you want solitude.

    People picking on the counsel are wrong. The guy asked for trouble and he got it. But he didn't have to off himself. That was stupid as any suicide is. Anyone feeling that way should seek help.

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    Not really important to the discussion but
    just a thought.

    After 27 years he got fired for sending an e-mail
    Why not a suspension and back to work after 30days without pay.

    27years is a long time. I wonder if it was beause of who the e-mail went to and the content therof:

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    The guy was a loozer.... move your ass away from the entertainment sector. Let people live life and have a smile.

    YOUR IN THE MIDDLE of a big ing city dumbass move if you want solitude.

    People picking on the counsel are wrong. The guy asked for trouble and he got it. But he didn't have to off himself. That was stupid as any suicide is. Anyone feeling that way should seek help.
    The guy wanted a safe neighborhood.

    He paid his taxes like everybody else and sought help from an elected official who thought she'd play hero.

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    Trust me I know his kind. They think the computer at work belongs to them. If you owned a company you would not want that kind of crap coming off your hardware and email service.

    I am sure this big company has an IT use policy. Getting fired is no big deal everyone looses there job.

    He appeared to be a bigot.. "I suggest relocate to lower class".

    What's that supposed to mean? Poor people have the same rights as he.

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