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During the Finals? I don't remember that...
It was the officiating...
During the Finals? I don't remember that...I still don't think you are understanding why Spurs fans are bringing up minutes. Last season, it was the Pistons fans favorite excuse -- The Pistons are fatigued because the starters play so many minutes. This season, the starters play the same amount of minutes and Pistons fans say that fatigue isn't a factor.
It was the officiating...
During the Finals? I don't remember that...
It was the officiating...
The Suns didn't suddenly stop playing defense. They won games because of their scoring, and the three was their weapon. The Spurs shut that down and the wheels fell off, in spite of Amare's great numbers.
Here's where you made my argument for me: The Pistons couldn't hit threes because they had a hand in their face, just like the Suns did in the series before that. The Pistons may be 12th in attempts, but they lead the league in percentage. That will go down against the Spurs. My point is that Larry Brown may prove to be right after all.
I'll reply to your edit:
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I said the starters are all equal, and that is the REASON they play similar minutes. No team has a 4th and 5th player as good as the Pistons. That is a fact. If these players were split onto their own seperate teams, they would play at least as much as they do now, and no one would say a damn thing because, individually, none of them play an extreme amount of minutes.Pistons fans are now trying to say that it's okay that the Pistons starters play this amount of minutes because they are "easier" minutes. Pistons fans point out that the Pistons have a high differential so they don't have to work so hard on the court. Now you are pointing out that the Pistons starters are all equal and that means they don't have to work so hard on the court.
Sure thingWTF are you talking about? Your players should be giving a 100 percent no matter who's on the court and no matter what the score is. There's not "easier" minutes.. I'm sure everyone goes full-boar when it's a 15-20 point game, or you're playing the Hawks.
Well said my dog
That's your opinion.No team has a 4th and 5th player as good as the Pistons. That is a fact.
I'll give you the 5th player, but not the 4th.
Hey do you mind telling me what kind of crack you're on cause I've never seen such a stupid post. Stop wasting my eyesight, I have better things to look at
Umm.. that's when your 8th-12th men should be on the floor and yes, they should be trying their hardest trying to earn minutes. There's no plays off in basketball. It's not my fault the Pistons play their starters in blowoutsI'm sure everyone goes full-boar when it's a 15-20 point game, or you're playing the Hawks.
Oops sorry Kori that was to the guy before you, I quoted the wrong message? What was he talking about anyways?
Who Gives a ?
The Spurs won it. They blew the Pistons out in Game 1 and 2. Got blown in Game 3 and 4.
Horry won Game 5. Pistons kicked ass in Game 6.
Pistons kicked ass for 46 minutes in Game 7. Spurs kicked ass in the 47th and 48th minute.
Spurs won. It was a very good final series. Hopefully it will happen again, but I am guessing that Hollywood Parker is going to destroy your front court and you all will be crying again.
Spurs in 4.
Is someone using your computer? I usually thought you were a decent poster on this board.
You said "1 minute isn't significant" when talking about Rip's minutes being down from last season. I replied with the fact the Duncan (who is injured) is playing 1 "insignificant" minute less than Rip this season. Is it really that hard to understand?
Re-read your sentence. Did you mistype? Because as is, it makes no sense.
Read it to yourself:
I had no idea what you meant by "when aren't you calling for Pop's head" and its relevance to the conversation.If 1 minute isn't significant then when aren't you calling for Pop's head for playing Duncan "1 minute" less than Rip?? On an injury no less. Get it?
I think you missed the point.
I'm not claiming that they play MORE minutes than last year. Or that Rip feels different when Sheed plays fewer minutes or whatever. In fact, I'm not really claiming anything, just asking pointed questions. But regardless, the big thing about minutes is that they reflect how important a starter is to the overall success of the team. For example, if Rip goes down, someone else (or elses) will have to make up for those minutes. Since the other starters already play so many minutes, they won't be able to take over as many of those missing 37. The bench will have to play much more than they're accustomed to, and it will impact the team more than a deeper team. In other words, for example, if Manu goes down, the Spurs are still two deep at SG, but if Rip goes down, it will be much harder for the Pistons to fill the bigger hole in overall minutes.
It's true that the Pistons starters are clearly the best group in the league. But the fact that they play so many minutes (relative to the rest of the league) and that they only play 7 players more than one-quarter's worth of basketball per night, means that an injury to any member of their starting line-up will hurt them more than another team, say the Spurs for instance.
I'm not "searching for any possible way to discount the Pistons"...I'm just pointing out facts that make a difference, facts that to the extent they applied last year, probably cost the Pistons the le.
End of story.
If the Pistons don't have bench players to play in blowouts or against weak teams, they are doomed anyway. There's the answer about the new coach.
OK, I typed "when" instead of "why". Shoot me. It's still easy to use logic to realize what I was trying to say.
Okay to answer the why .. because Duncan's injury isn't going to change by playing 25 minutes or 35 minutes. It will only heal over a matter of months. And I'm not willing to want him to sit out a few months and sacrifice the season. So playing him 33 or 35 mpg doesn't make a difference to me.
You really think there isn't a difference in effort when a team plays the Hawks (or any other crap team) than when they play a contender? You're being Naive if that is the case. The Spurs, in particular, are guilty of this.Umm.. that's when your 8th-12th men should be on the floor and yes, they should be trying their hardest trying to earn minutes. There's no plays off in basketball. It's not my fault the Pistons play their starters in blowouts
And yes, when the Pistons push a lead up to about 15 points in the first halves of games, they usually still play in the 2nd half. Every team does. I've seen plenty of times where the Spurs are up 15-20, and Tony, Bowen, or Tim are still in the game. If you think a 15 point lead in the 2nd quarter is time to empty the bench and bring on garbage time for the rest of the game, you just don't think like a coach.
The injury is just a side note. The fact is, injured or not, he only plays 1 less minute than the leader in MPG for the Pistons (and that's endless energy Rip we're talking about). Is he super-human in that he isn't affected by minutes or something? Or is it just the Pistons that are affected by minutes?
i think you are the one who is naiive.. have you ever played a game of basketball in your life?? full court?You really think there isn't a difference in effort when a team plays the Hawks (or any other crap team) than when they play a contender? You're being Naive if that is the case.
And yes, when the Pistons push a lead up to about 15 points in the first halves of games, they usually still play in the 2nd half. Every team does. I've seen plenty of times where the Spurs are up 15-20, and Tony, Bowen, or Tim are still in the game. If you think a 15 point lead in the 2nd quarter is time to empty the bench and bring on garbage time for the rest of the game, you just don't think like a coach.
as long as the other team is playing some form of defense it's going to take effort, whether it be the hawks or the spurs
The point of my post is that Pistons fans last year were saying that their team was fatigued because of the amount of minutes they were playing. This season, they are playing the same minutes and Pistons fans are saying it's fine because they are playing "easier" minutes.
Of course sometimes teams play down to the level of their compe ion. But the fact still remains that if they are on the court, they are physically exerting themselves for that amount of time. If Pistons fans are concerned that their starters are playing too many minutes, then they need to find ways to rest them more on the bench. As was pointed out earlier, they are resting Prince more in recent weeks. That's how they will combat fatigue late in the postseason.
By the way, I don't care if the Pistons' starters play 48 mpg or 10 mpg. I only care that the Spurs get ready for the playoffs -- they can't control the Pistons. I just find it funny that Pistons fans cried fatigue because of the minutes of the starters last season .. and now they think it's fine.
Quite an exaggeration of what I said. You say that your starters take it easy when they are up by 15 (I was assuming we were talking about late in games). I said that's the time when you could be getting them actual bench rest.If you think a 15 point lead in the 2nd quarter is time to empty the bench and bring on garbage time for the rest of the game, you just don't think like a coach.
When did I say it didn't take any effort? I said there is a big difference in effort, whether the other team is or the Spurs. Trust me, the Pistons use up a lot more energy diving for loose balls, going after rebounds, challenging shots on D, etc when they play the Spurs than they do against bad teams.
You still aren't getting it. I'm not the one saying the Pistons are playing too many minutes. PISTONS FANS were saying last year that their minutes were what caused them fatigue in the postseason.
Really? do you play for the pistons? do you know them personally?
you are just plain stupid if you think it takes more energy and effort to "dive for loose balls, go after rebounds, challenge shots on D, etc" against the Spurs than it does to do the same thing against the hawks, bobcats, whatever.
It's all the same game. these are all nba players.
As I said before, the only fatigue that I think hurt them last year was having to play a rested Spurs team after fighting through a grueling 7 game series against the Heat (notably Ben guarding Shaq for 7 games, and Tayshaun trying to keep up with Wade for 7 games. Those 2 were the only guys that looked fatigued at all, IMO). The regular season was not a factor. This year, the minutes are even more balanced, and will be a non-factor yet again.Well you can't assume that, because the Pistons get big leads regularly in the first halves of games. That's when they go on cruise control. If it's a 15 point game late in the game, the bench is usually in. This is when Darko is unleashed to the wildQuite an exaggeration of what I said. You say that your starters take it easy when they are up by 15 (I was assuming we were talking about late in games). I said that's the time when you could be getting them actual bench rest.
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