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are you saying calling them names and insulting them justifies murder and terror? There is no justification for Terror no matter what anyone says.
There would be protest like when Christians protested the Last Temptation of Christ, but no threats of murder like 9/11. Christians will attack the wallet Muslim go str8 for the throat. Of course, I expect most of the libs to justify the terrorist somehow.
are you saying calling them names and insulting them justifies murder and terror? There is no justification for Terror no matter what anyone says.
justifying the radical muslims by compaing them to other radicals. Fantasitic.
People have done many an act of violence in the name of Christianity in very recent history.
I agree that radical Islam is much more of a problem than any radical form of Christianity, but lets not act as though there are radicals on each side.
There was no justification for anyone within my post. It was merely an expression of deep frustration with humanity as a whole.
For the first time in a long time, I agree with something coming out of France:
Philippe Douste-Blazy, the French foreign minister, said: "It is not normal to caricature a whole religion as an extremist or terrorist movement." But the extreme reaction to the cartoons "would suggest the caricaturists were right," he added.
How on earth did you infer that from my post?are you saying calling them names and insulting them justifies murder and terror?
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Why would calling peaceful Muslims names align them with Terrorist? Is the name calling justification for them? If it is, they are just pretending to be peaceful and are looking for any excuse to chop your head off.This kind of bull only further aligns peaceful Muslims with Muslim Terrorists
I'm not talking about alignment as in taking up arms alongside them in terrorist acts, but if we expect peaceful Muslims and Muslim leaders to actively denounce terrorism it's probably best that we don't insult them. Otherwise, it shouldn't be surprising to anyone if they keep silent on the matter.
again your justifying their actions when there's no justification for terrorism. Keeping quiet makes them an accessory to the crime and people calling them names is not a defense.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about peaceful Muslims who don't know anything about any potential terrorist acts. You seem to assume that every Muslim knows when the next 9/11 is coming as if it's something that's actively discussed worship services. They're not accessories if they don't know anything.Keeping quiet makes them an accessory to the crime and people calling them names is not a defense.
Asking Muslims to denounce terrorism is asking a LOT, particularly in the Middle East. They could be killed for speaking out. You believe they are obligated to risk their lives and the lives of their families to voice their moral opposition to terrorists while at the same time you equate them to the terrorists? That's completely unrealistic.
It's like saying you can't support the war unless you're on the front lines.
first off i'm not equating them to anything and most people aren't either. However, when wackos bombed abortion clinics I had not problem expressing my moral outrage even though I'm pro-life. You can equate me to those wackos all you want, and most liberals try to do so, but it won't stop me from condeming that sort of violence.
It's like how dare you call us terrorist for that we're going to kill 3000 more of your people. huh?For the first time in a long time, I agree with something coming out of France:
I think it would be a lot easier if we just all became Islamic.
The Koran is all we need. Let's scrap all our space, science and pornographic internet for a simple life. Put the woman back where she belongs. Out of her Honda accord and business suit and into a nice black burka.
That's all well and good here in America, but if you lived in a country ruled by Christian extremists where Christian terrorism was more common, you might be less emboldened to speak out. Or maybe you wouldn't (I'd like to think I wouldn't either), but even then I'm guessing we'd be in the minority.You can equate me to those wackos all you want, and most liberals try to do so, but it won't stop me from condeming that sort of violence.
I think it is the culture that has retarted the message of the Koran and caused the oppression of women. The Koran itself is fairly progressive when it comes to women, perhaps even more so than the Bible.
There were death threats and bomb threats when The Last Temptation of Christ was in theaters.
I don't know that any religion is exempt from having its own fanatics.
How can the Koran be more progressive than the bible for women?
Are you on crack right now?
Where in the bible does it give you permission to beat your wife?
Well, the Koran allows women to have property rights, enter into contracts and intiate divorce. That's pretty progressive considering the age of the Koran.
Also....
The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
Women win rights by relying on Koran
By Heather J. Carlson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 18, 2004
Women's rights advocates have won sweeping reforms of marriage and divorce laws in Morocco and Egypt by basing their arguments on an unlikely source -- the Koran.
The latest reforms were in Morocco, where the parliament in February approved landmark changes to a 46-year-old family law by granting women property rights in marriage and the right to divorce.
Supporters of the changes -- including King Mohammed VI -- relied on verses from the Koran to support the reform.
"We showed in Morocco that there is no such thing as a contradiction between Islam and modernity, and there is no contradiction between Islam and equality between men and women," said Aziz Mekouar, Moroccan ambassador to the United States.
The reforms also placed new restrictions on polygamy, requiring a husband seeking a second wife to first demonstrate to a judge that he can provide for the second wife as well as he has the first.
Morocco also raised the minimum age of marriage for women from 15 to 18 -- the same age for men.
In Egypt, female politicians and activist groups relied on Islamic teachings to help pass changes to the country's personal-status laws, making it easier for women to get a divorce.
In the past, Egyptian men could divorce their wives at will, but women had to prove they had been injured or harmed. Women now can get a divorce based on incompatibility.
The key to the legislative victories in both countries was that women's rights advocates based their arguments on the Koran and worked within the existing political system, said Diane Singerman, an associate professor at American University specializing in Middle Eastern politics.
"It represents a learning curve within the women's movement," she said at a recent forum at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "Now the women's movement is poised to do more extensive lobbying."
She added, "These women basically turned Islam into an asset."
In both Morocco and Egypt, as elsewhere in the region, family law is based on Islamic law or Shariah, whereas most other laws have a secular basis.
The Koran clearly spells out that women and men are to be treated equally, said Maysam Al Faruqi, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University. But in some cases, she said, the text has been misinterpreted to deny women their rights.
In other instances, she said, laws geared toward protecting Muslim women were added, but they had the unintended side effect of denying women their full rights. Muslim women now see it as their duty to correct these misinterpretations of the Koran.
"In general, Muslim feminists don't operate outside the realm of Islam," she said. "They use that religion to restore their rights."
Ms. Al Faruqi said it is important to understand that most Muslim women do not want blind equality. There is a belief that because a wife is responsible for child rearing, her husband has a greater responsibility to provide financially for the family.
"Because of the fact that women have to carry children and therefore must provide time and effort and attention and care, they make the financial obligation fall on the man instead of the woman," she said. "It equalizes the responsibility."
Despite the gains, Farida Deif, a North Africa and Middle East researcher for Human Rights Watch, cautioned that men and women remain far from equal in both Egypt and Morocco.
For instance, she said, if an Egyptian woman files for divorce based on incompatibility, she must return the dowry paid by her husband and cannot seek alimony. She also has no rights to the couple's home.
"They are perpetually at risk of becoming homeless. There's no sense of shared marital property," she said. "Divorce can be basically tantamount to homelessness in the region."
Throughout North Africa, she said, women accused of adultery or extramarital affairs face harsh laws while husbands accused of killing their wives for committing adultery can have their sentences reduced.
Even when the laws are changed, as in the case of Morocco, that does not mean women will take advantage of them.
"One big problem is public awareness, especially with a lot of older, immigrant women," said Susan Schaefer Davis, a socio-economist and author of "Patience and Power: Women's Lives in a Moroccan Village."
She spoke at a forum sponsored by the Moroccan American Center for Policy earlier this week.
Besides learning about the new laws, Ms. Davis said, women in rural areas must travel to family courts in the provincial capital, which can prove extremely difficult. Once at the court, women then must rely on the judges to apply the new laws appropriately.
Ironically many Muslims are addicted to porn... what else can you expect when their heaven and dreams are full of young virgins....
It says one of the minor rewards are 80,000 servents and 72 wives.
Holy Crap I'm islamic and didn't even know it.
were't there ppl shooting innocent muslims after 9/11?? in every group, there'll be dumb-asses who overreact. In these case, the dumbasses were photographed.
Nahh....too easy.
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