Suns vs Wolves:KG's block on Marion controversy

[Vingianx]

It could have gone either way...

[Nashfan]

You have got to be kidding me in regards to the Phoenix Suns being a whiny, complaining team. Have you ever watched your own players, such as Manu, Tony and even Tim Duncan complaining to the refs on quite a few occassions? That is a low blow to say the Suns players and coach complain. They hardly ever say anything, especially to the media. We have been given bad calls in a few games this year, such as against New York if any of you watched that game. Yes, last night our team should not have let themselves get into the situation they did. They did not play hard and played down to the Timberwolves so they deserved to lose but you can't possible say they are whiny! Also they are not a mediocre team by any means. They are winning this year without Amare and having basically a whole new team. I would like to see your team do well without your star, Tim Duncan. So be fair, they are a pretty decent team considering all the changes and the injury to Amare.

[GoSpurs21]

You have got to be kidding me in regards to the Phoenix Suns being a whiny, complaining team. Have you ever watched your own players, such as Manu, Tony and even Tim Duncan complaining to the refs on quite a few occassions? That is a low blow to say the Suns players and coach complain. They hardly ever say anything, especially to the media. We have been given bad calls in a few games this year, such as against New York if any of you watched that game. Yes, last night our team should not have let themselves get into the situation they did.

yes I have, and while the Spurs may complain on occasion, its nothing compared to the constant whining that Nash and coach D do. Nash just brought over was he was taught by Mark Cuban to the suns.

Yea, they have a great team, but they take away from it by constanting whining.

[Nashfan]

Please give me links or proof to where you have seen Nash and our coach whine a lot.

[101A]

Please give me links or proof to where you have seen Nash and our coach whine a lot.

Quoting SpursTalk Regulations Chapter 9, Paragraph 4, Sections G - K

A Spurs fan made an accusation - opposed by a Suns fan.

This is a Spurs fan site - therefore, the Spur's fan's opinion is fact unless proven beyond any shadow of doubt to be inaccurate.

Therefore the burden of proof is on Sun's fan.

[leemajors]

spurs players and coaches do not complain about calls after a game.

[101A]

BTW.

Sun's conference record is 15-12.

They are getting fat on the East (16-5).

They ARE mediocre.

[JMarkJohns]

BTW.

Sun's conference record is 15-12.

They are getting fat on the East (16-5).

They ARE mediocre.

They beat the Spurs, no?

Anyway, as for the block, it looked clean. Nash needs to shutup. As Marion alluded to, good teams don't allow themselves to be in a position where one bad call can steal the game from them.

Not that I think it was a bad call, because I don't. But it's not really similer to any of the blocks the Suns had last year. Closest in controversy is the WCF block, but this was settled then. As for Amare's block on Miller last season, that was as clean a block as you'll see, same with Marion's on Dirk.

Garnett leaped a tall building in a single bound to reach Marion's attempt last night. In my eye, he got it at its peak, not on its way down.

[leemajors]

i thought it was a good no call, but really close. there would have been more heated comments if it had been called a goaltend.

[JMarkJohns]

Quoting SpursTalk Regulations Chapter 9, Paragraph 4, Sections G - K

A Spurs fan made an accusation - opposed by a Suns fan.

This is a Spurs fan site - therefore, the Spur's fan's opinion is fact unless proven beyond any shadow of doubt to be inaccurate.

Therefore the burden of proof is on Sun's fan.

LMAO... let's all celebrate justified ignorance then!!!

The burden of responsibility to back up a claim is always on he who made the claim. If he chooses not to, or fails, then he clearly and blatently lied.

I've been proven wrong here on occasion while also proving my fair share of Spurs fans wrong. Still, if you want a quality site where fact-based opinions not just unquenched homerism abound, then take responsibility for yourself.

I'd never seen so much complaining about a call as that block Amare had on Duncan in the Western Conference Finals. Not as much from the coaches and players (though it was implied), but from the "To good to whine" fans here.

[Solid D]

In case you haven't noticed, the NBA has the biggest gap between elite and good/mediocre teams in ANY sport. In football, the Super Bowl is a battle between eight-nine teams, hockey the same. In basketball, either Detroit or San Antonio will win- what does that say about the league?

The Suns are mediocre- their record means nothing other than Steve Nash is the MVP of this league without a doubt.

Where Mike D'Antoni gets his sense of en lement from, I'll never know.

What a load of bunk. The Suns are a tough match for any team. The Spurs yearn for a long SF and the Suns have...well that's just about all they are is long wing players. Defensively, this year they defend the arc, they limit other teams' assists by closing out well...they fill passing lanes with active hands, they get back in transition (particularly with Diaw, Marion and Bell on the floor at the same time). Nash is weak defensively but their 3 new additions to the starting lineup have made them much better overall. Offensively, they shoot the 3 well and they run uptempo. Give me a break, mediocre?

[SirChaz]

Marion said it best.

"It's irrelevant right now, we shouldn't have been in that situation. It shouldn't have gone down to the wire like that. That's what happens sometimes when you put it in someone else's hands."


From the camera on the opposite side of the court it was pretty clear. It was close but no goaltend should have been called.
The Suns played like crap last night and got beat.

I think Nash's frustration has built up from losing some other games that they should have won.

[101A]

They beat the Spurs, no?

So did Atlanta, New Orleans, Milwaukee, et al.

Spurs don't get up for mediocre teams.

[Nashfan]

Spurs players complain about calls during the game. You made the accusation about Nash and Coach D so you should provide the proof not me! I haven't seen any evidence of their complaining constantly as you remarked.

[AZLouis]

The block was clean. Without the ability to see an instant replay over and over, Nash and D'Antoni along with a few others complained and griped on the court and apparently into the locker room. Who knows at that point if they even saw more replays.

Regardless, Marion is right on, they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. The call could've gone either way because it was so close, but the right call was made.

The Suns have the same problem of not getting focused for mediocre to lower teams either. They drop 47 on the Heat in the first quarter and then some guy from the non-playoff contending teams have the best game of their lives (ie the Kings game) and beat the Suns.

The Suns have been frustrated for awhile. Recently both Nash and Marion have given postgame interviews criticizing the team heavily. Marion's was profanity laced. He even gave an interview saying it su**s to not be able to allow all of his talents to be showcased.

But either way, the Suns aren't a mediocre team as stated above. Their record proves so. Not to mention their accomplishments all being done without Amare.

[Obstructed_View]

LMAO... let's all celebrate justified ignorance then!!!

The burden of responsibility to back up a claim is always on he who made the claim. If he chooses not to, or fails, then he clearly and blatently lied.

I've been proven wrong here on occasion while also proving my fair share of Spurs fans wrong. Still, if you want a quality site where fact-based opinions not just unquenched homerism abound, then take responsibility for yourself.

I'd never seen so much complaining about a call as that block Amare had on Duncan in the Western Conference Finals. Not as much from the coaches and players (though it was implied), but from the "To good to whine" fans here.

You guys aren't very good Suns fans if you don't realize that your fans and your team are whiners. It's been that way since Barkley and KJ (and Nash)were there. Nash was that way when he was with the Mavericks, one of the whiniest organizations ever.

"I feel like the Seattle Seahawks," said Steve Nash. The complete lack of football knowledge aside, he thinks he was rooked by what looked like (upon replay after replay after replay) a good no-call?

There were complaints about Amare's block, but as you mentioned, none from the players or coaches, because they knew it was, at best, a clean block, and at worst, a minor non-call. The Suns fans complained louder about Manu falling into Leandro Barbosa than the Spurs fans complained about that block.

[exstatic]

Please give me links or proof to where you have seen Nash and our coach whine a lot.

Nash? Not usually, but Mike D'entures is the whiner of the league, behind only George Karl.

[exstatic]

My question doesn't relate to the validity of the block, my question is why would you have Marion take a last shot? I'd rather have Nash shoot, double covered.

[doldrums]

I'm sure their overly homerish sportscaster Ernie Johnson saw it as goaltending. Nash should have let Ernie do the complaining, he's better at it. Oh by the way guys, Suns are winning without Amare, enough said, give them props.

[Obstructed_View]

My question doesn't relate to the validity of the block, my question is why would you have Marion take a last shot? I'd rather have Nash shoot, double covered.

That would be why you aren't a coach. Marion is one of the best players in the league.

[grjr]

I'm sure their overly homerish sportscaster Ernie Johnson saw it as goaltending. Nash should have let Ernie do the complaining, he's better at it. Oh by the way guys, Suns are winning without Amare, enough said, give them props.

Inhd had the game on last night and replayed it today so I recorded it. After watching all the replays it was a good block. Garnett hit it .3 of a second after it was released. It wasn't still going up but it wasn't going down either.

Even Homer Dan Majerle said, "That was a heck of a block" after watching all the replays so you know it wasn't goaltending.

[exstatic]

That would be why you aren't a coach. Marion is one of the best players in the league.

Marion is an excellent rebounder and a good defender. Beyond that, he's overrated. He couldn't create a BM without help. I had to laugh at the cnnsi article on him holding back his O game for the team. He's a system player, being spoonfed first by Kidd, then by Starbury, then by Nash.

He's James Posey in a consistant organization.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm sure their overly homerish sportscaster Ernie Johnson saw it as goaltending. Nash should have let Ernie do the complaining, he's better at it. Oh by the way guys, Suns are winning without Amare, enough said, give them props.

I think you mean Eddie Johnson who is a former NBA player and not Ernie Johnson who is the studio host on TNT.

[Solid D]

He's James Posey in a consistant organization.

(I never think of Mr. Anderson "The One" when I watch James Posey...hmmm)

[JMarkJohns]

Obstructed View, I believe I said Nash needed to shut up. I've conceded that Phoenix and its media is prone to whine.

I've done it myself, but mostly just in the face of overwelming bias here.

You know, like when Spurs fans call Barbosa a whiny little for expressing some frustration of possibly having his season ended because Manu intentionally flopped, accidentally (blowing out, at the time) Barbosa's knee.

A lot of people here whine and then whine about all the whining.