And, awaaaaaaaay we go!

[ChumpDumper]

So your argument in short is this:

Force all rape and incest victims to carry babies to term because you aren't willing to adopt any.

[ChumpDumper]

Let me answer this one for you.

In 1972 -- the year before Roe v. Wade made abortions legal -- there were 39 deaths reported due to illegal abortions. There we 88 total -- due to legal and illegal abortions. So, in effect, in the year prior to it becoming legal, more women died of complication due to legal abortions than due to illegal ones.

And, before you go off on the tangent of "how could they be receiving 'legal' abortions before Roe v. Wade," these were legal due to exceptions under the laws of the various states.

Link?

[Yonivore]

How do you know?

Well, because I actually read. You should try it.

Because some teenage girls can't afford tails.

Not that I'd share it with you but, there are completely free and natural methods to terminate a pregnancy. And yes, they carry the same risks as the "morning after" pill.

Nice of you to step up and put your money where your mouth is.

You bet.

Sure you are -- if it produces a baby that you wouldn't adopt.

You know you sound like an idiot now, right?

Where did you get your birth defect, idiot?

Ouch, that hurt.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, SD can pass their law. SCOTUS can overturn Roe.

Abortion won't stop with either one.

I'm sure you have all the stats on abortion last year.

Take all those kids and add them to all the live kids that weren't adopted.

Then subtract the ones you'll adopt.

[Yonivore]

Link?

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm

[Yonivore]

Hey, SD can pass their law. SCOTUS can overturn Roe.

Abortion won't stop with either one.

I'm sure you have all the stats on abortion last year.

Take all those kids and add them to all the live kids that weren't adopted.

Then subtract the ones you'll adopt.

So, you'd be okay with a law banning abortion that allowed exceptions for incest, rape, and to prevent the death of the mother?

[ChumpDumper]

In principle, I think that would be ideal -- but I have problems making criminals out of scared teenage girls, for instance.

[Yonivore]

I guess we'll have to read the book to verify this statement:

Another stunning admission about the manufacturing of illegal abortion numbers comes from Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former director of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (now known as the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League - - NARAL).

In his classic 1979 book Aborting America, Dr. Nathanson wrote, "How many deaths were we talking about when abortion was illegal? In NARAL, we generally emphasized the frame of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. I confess that I knew that the figures were totally false and I suppose that others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the 'morality' of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible."

Approximately 50,000 women of child-bearing age died each year, prior to Roe v. Wade. If death due to illegal abortions were even close to the figures commonly quoted by pro-abortionists, they would accout for 10% to 20% of all such deaths annually. Kind of far-fetched if you ask me.

[Yonivore]

In principle, I think that would be ideal -- but I have problems making criminals out of scared teenage girls, for instance.

So do I. In fact, I'd be satisfied with such a law -- if only to stop the insane practice of convenience abortions by the millions every year.

I've often -- in the countless abortion threads that have been flamed in this forum -- stated that I have compassion for those women who seek abortions under duress.

However, pro-abortionists always want to argue the miniscule number of abortions that fall into this category instead of even contemplating the vast majority who kill their unborn to prevent an inconvenience.

[ChumpDumper]

if only to stop the insane practice of convenience abortions by the millions every year.

That's just it. I don't think it would stop those, just create another underground economy like the drug trade.

[Yonivore]

That's just it. I don't think it would stop those, just create another underground economy like the drug trade.

1.5 million underground abortions per year?

[ChumpDumper]

People drank alot during prohibition.

[gtownspur]

Sure, moron. Maybe if abortion was a form of exstacy or pleasure, would you then have an argument.

Becuase last time i asked a teenage girl she said "Abortions give me a rush, they're such a turn on!"

[Yonivore]

People drank alot during prohibition.

Yeah, they drink alot more now that it's legal. But, again, that's irrelevant.

Do you honestly believe that all 1.5 million women, that received abortions last year, would seek an illegal abortion if there were a law prohibiting them?

Wouldn't it be likely that some would choose to carry the baby to term? Or, abstain? Or, practice effective birth control?

You're either-or position on this matter strikes me as flippant and unserious.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't expect you to understand simple supply and demand, g.

How effective would be "some"? How many? I'm sure some study has been done on this.

This law is more either-or than I could ever be.

[gtownspur]

Only a moron would think coat hanger abortions are in demand like godiva sweets.

[ChumpDumper]

Only a moron would think coat hanger abortions are in demand like godiva sweets.

Would you say demand for those would go up or down after passage of this law?

[Yonivore]

I don't expect you to understand simple supply and demand, g.

How effective would be "some"? How many? I'm sure some study has been done on this.

It's probably a safe bet that fewer abortions would occur if they were illegal.

This law is more either-or than I could ever be.

Only because the rabid pro-abortionists drive the opposition to extremes.

[Yonivore]

Would you say demand for those would go up or down after passage of this law?

I think they'd remain stable.

Any idiot that would go out, if illegal, and seek a "coathanger" abortion is too stupid to even know they can get one legally. It's why you have boyfriends jumping on their girlfriends' stomachs and like that. They're idiots.

[gtownspur]

Would you say demand for those would go up or down after passage of this law?

No,.. condoms and birth control will. WHo the plans to get pregnant for an abortion.

[ChumpDumper]

It's probably a safe bet that fewer abortions would occur if they were illegal.

How would anyone know how many were being performed afterwards?

[ChumpDumper]

No,.. condoms and birth control will. WHo the plans to get pregnant for an abortion.

You contradicted yourself, even though you are too stupid to realize it.

[Yonivore]

How would anyone know how many were being performed afterwards?

I'm thinking 1.5 million illegal abortions, per year, would be hard to hide.

[gtownspur]

Funny, i'd have to ask one first to awnser my own.

Are you really that idiotic.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm thinking 1.5 million illegal abortions, per year, would be hard to hide.

Just like all the drugs that are in the country. If you drive it underground, it's underground and you'll never have the full picture.

If you're only goal is a percentage reduction in abortions, fine.