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at least darko will finally get to prove that hes just not a human victory cigar afterall.. like what kerr said.
remains to be seen if darkos a catch or a bust
at least darko will finally get to prove that hes just not a human victory cigar afterall.. like what kerr said.
remains to be seen if darkos a catch or a bust
Pistons...that was one great post.
I don't know much about Arroyo...but, what I have seen, I thought that kid had potential too. He has some skills.
I still don't really know what Detroit has gotten in return for 2 potentially very good players.
Damn just fully read the thread.
If they turn Cato and a number 1 into Mike James.
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Then, we might have a problem Houston.
Poor Darko. The Finals this year won't be the same without our good ol victory cigar.
IF that were to happen, it would lessen some of the anger I currently have........but I don't know.
We'll see in the next few days if this rumor has any validity.
M Jmaes would defeinelty be a BIG boost.......
How would James for Cato work? Cato makes more than double what James does.
Not that I agree with it, but cap space to re-sign Ben Wallace this summer and Chauncey Billups next summer without going past the luxury tax threshhold.
I don't agree with the decision, but some rumored reports from Pistons insiders intimate that Bill Davidson is reluctant to pay over the luxury tax, and Joe Dumars made the trade in a cost cutting maneuver to ensure he would be able to re-sign both Ben and Chauncey.
The deal itself does not look good for the Pistons. Even taking into consideration what Dumars was trying to do, I think the Pistons should have gotten more for Darko and Arroyo.
I think the deal would be for the #1 pick...and not for Cato.
As you stated, the #'s don't compute if it was for Cato. unless there were other teams involved.....which I don't believe there are.
I beleive I heard that James was on the last year of his contract? and the thought was that Toronto was afraid that they wouldn't be able to re-sign him. At least trading him for a future #1 would give them something out of the deal.
I don't think there is much validity to any of this. More than likely, it is a rumor started by some Piston fan that just keeps getting spread around.
All I know is that Dumars better have something in the works. Because if not, Chauncey is going to be playing tons of minutes........No way Hunter can be counted on for more than 6-8 minutes a game. Not that he is truly gifted at running an offense. Defensively, he can obviously be a plus....but at this stage of his career, I do not want him running the point much. And the thought that Prince can is also silly. He may be able to do it for spot minutes in January, but that won't work in June.
Am I the only one here who thinks the trade is a good trade? Darko has failed to produce under a defense-oriented coach (Brown), and an offense-oriented coach (Saunders) for more than 2 years, and Detroit still get to trade him and Carlos Arroyo away for Cato's expiring contract, and a possible lottery pick, how in the world is that a bad trade? The expiring contract helps Detroit free up cap space to resign Wallace and Billups.
This is an incredible deal.
For the sake of argument, what would you perceive as fair value for Darko?
Great, Detroit is making moves to seal the deal while the Spurs are nurturing ty players from Slovenia hoping that one day they will truly get it.
Unreal.
If you were the coach, would you play him if you had Dice,Ben and Sheed in front of him? Throw in Elden Campbell, and now Dale Davis. That's alot of talent in his way. When he was drafted, he was according to Dumars, "our future". He was not expected to contribute now. He is now only 20 years old. I think peoples expectations for him are completely skewed.
and Detroit still get to trade him and Carlos Arroyo away for Cato's expiring contract, and a possible lottery pick, how in the world is that a bad trade? The expiring contract helps Detroit free up cap space to resign Wallace and Billups.
We didn't NEED to free up any money. Sure, payroll is now less, but we still COULD have re-signed Ben and Chauncey.
Not too long ago, we were supposedly offered Al Harrington for Darko alone.This is an incredible deal.
For the sake of argument, what would you perceive as fair value for Darko?
Al is a proven comodi y. He is an immediate impact.
Instead we give him AND Arroyo for a player that we are likely to CUT/WAIVE, and a draft pick 2YEARS from now...and it is protected 1-5.
Just my opinion, but this was a terribly ty job on Dumars part.
I really like Darko. He's a good kid.
The traded two players for a player they aren't going to use. I'm not sure how that seals the deal.
As a Spurs fan, I beg and pray for that to happen. Mike James is ballhog extraordinarie. The man has zero concept of ball movement. Yes, he score a lot of points, plays defense, and even pick up a few assists, but his ability to make mistakes, especially with the game on the line is incredible.
Everytime he gets the ball, he has the tendency to ball fake a few times, take a couple of dribbles regardless of whether one of his teammates are wide open for a shot. This allows the defense to rotate and take away that shot, he he does it time and time again. Sort of like Marbury or Francis light.
For some reason, Bosh is really fond of James, and rumours has it whether Bosh signs this summer depends on whether James remains a Raptor. So this trade is unlikely to happen.
Mike James is a HUGE upgrade from Arroyo. And an even bigger upgrade than nothing. Which is what we have now for a back-up PG.
Also, we will not be getting him to be used during "crunch time".
But I still don't get how you are getting Mike James. You would have to trade a player to get him. You said not Cato. You can't get him for just a pick.
I totally agree. I think it's all a fanciful dream some fan came up with.
The player they are trading for is getting cut numbnuts.Great, Detroit is making moves to seal the deal while the Spurs are nurturing ty players from Slovenia hoping that one day they will truly get it.
I guess I will just have to disagree on that. If I were the coach (which according to my girlfriend, I try to act like one with my basketball buddies), I would play Darko more than 5 minutes a game for 25 games out of 50 when my team is winning by more than 8 points a game IF he was any good. Especially when both Wallaces are averaging about 36 minutes a game. To me, that is quite telling of his ability. The Pistons are/were killing everyone in the league in the regular season, and with their dominance of some teams, playing Darko 10 minutes a game will not jeopardize a game for them.
As for the luxury tax, if Davidson said no to it, there is nothing Dumars can do, afterall, Dumars doesn't sign the cheques. It's either this, or risk losing Wallace or Billups (which I do think is unlikely to happen, even if they were offered less money than market, both are too smart not to know Detroit is the best place for their careers).
As for Harrington, it wasn't too long ago that Milicic was considered a victim of Larry Brown, Saunders has shown that it is not the case, Darko simply isn't that good (at this moment). Also, the 2007 draft is considered to be one of the deepest drafts in years, teams are expected to draft good talent even in the mid-teens. If the Pistons can manage to get a 6-10 pick, they would be in very good shape.
The Magic are my other favorite team, and this trade gives me some kind of hope for them. Other than Dwight Howard, everything has turned out bad since Shaq left.
I guess I have been watching too many Raptors game to like James. With James in the game, there is just no way the Pistons will see their offense executed to the crispness they see with Arroyo in the game (and I understand Arroyo is not the best backup PG in the league), the Pistons can get Jose Calderon if they were to trade with the Raptors, or Antonio Davis, who really isn't working out that well in Washington, Anthony Johnson, if the Pacers ever elect to trade him. Oh well, I suppose there really isn't a lot Pistons can go for, but I can tell you straight off James is worth worse than 0 for the Pistons, especially on offense.
Announcer: "Darko you've just been traded. What are you going to do now?"
Darko: "I'm going to Disney World!"
Sorry D! Couldn't resist
More Like LIVE in Disney World!Announcer: "Darko you've just been traded. What are you going to do now?"
Darko: "I'm going to Disney World!"
Sorry D! Couldn't resist
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