For JR Smith? Yeah, probably.
But while he's here, hopefully he lives up to some of his promise. I liked the way he played tonight. It was the most aggressive I've ever seen him defensively.
I love what brent did for us in game 7 of the finals but thats just one game..
he need to contribute a bit more than that.. but its not his fault, theres alot of talent ahead of him, so its no wonder why barry doesnt get enough playing time.. there just isnt enough min. to go around.
Where is all this talent? You better not say Finley cause he hasn't done this year.
Ehh...the Spurs traded away Steve Kerr once upon a time, stupidly, for Steve "unclutch" Smith...and he couldn't get off the bench here either, ever, unless it was due to injury, or Pop being goaded into by Tim Duncan in a FA year, or Peter Vescey.
Barry won't change, he is what he is, and in a few games he'll be getting ripped again, for what he isn't...a shot chucker, but he'll still have value even though it is lost on the Spurs brass and their fans...
A Kerr like performance? He already did it...game 1 of last years WCF against Phoenix, on the road, he was 5-5 and 3-3 from 3PT Range in the 4th quarter. Yes that series turned out to be pretty easy...but I have a feeling it wouldn't have been near as easy if we drop the first game on the road.
I thought the Spurs were stupid to trade Kerr, and I would have thought they were stupid to trade Barry, at least if they really want to win a le this year, although it's pretty much a lost cause...Pop is intent on finding out the hard way that Finley will kill you in a big game. Barry may lack scoring agression, but he also doesn't kill his team with bad shots or forget that he is a role player.
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Barry really should be ahead of Finley in the rotation. A lineup of Bowen, Finley and Van Ex is terrible. No can create anything there, eventually someone forces up a 3. I like Barry's playmaking, it's an asset we're not using right now
No, Barry kills the team by not shooting open shots and forgetting what his role is (shooting open shots).
If he wasn't a $5 million man, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Play up to what you're being paid and you won't be on the block.
He could pass up all the open shots he wanted and just do all the other little things his backers cream over if he signed for the vet minimum. His deal demands more.
Well he's certainly have his best game of the season tonight. Wonder how long this will last...
I called it!
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...d=1#post769540
Post 17- Ironically
Stomp, what is the chick in your avatar doing? Hurling?
Methinks this might have been one of Pop's Cia thingys.
I mean, Barry wasn't even playing in some games. Then, the day all the trade talk happened, Pop puts him into the early rotation?
Pffft...a coaches job is interesting, eh?
Barry's role was different in Games 6 & 7 of the Finals and that is why he was successful. When Tony went to the bench, the ball was in Barry's hands- creating for himself and others. That is his strength. For me, if Beno wasn't hardly going to get to play, I wish Barry had been the back-up point guard this season.
Damm 2 Games In A Row
Your questions are full of assumptions that are foolish to those who know the business of hoops. Moving Barry for a non contributing Hornet was strictly a financial move with the primary upside to give more roster options for the next few years. I am sure the Spurs were somewhat concerned with the absence of a solid contributor, but were confident enough with the rest of the Spurs in place to explore creating more roster flexability for the future.Now that Barry got his wake-up call, wouldn't it be something if he started playing inspired ball and won a spot in the rotation? That would be nice. He has loads of talent but has always seemed hesitant to try to force the action.
However, now maybe he can play with a chip on his shoulder. The Spurs didn't want him. They had given up on him living up to his potential.
Can Barry prove the Spurs wrong? Maybe this slap in the face was exactly what he needed.
Revenge would be best served in June.
If this motivates Barry, that brings nothing but more upside. If he plays great, and contributes to another NBA le, with less time on his contract, he will be easier to move and could bring more options next summer or beyond.
Barry being on the block had very little to do with his play or potential as an idividual. As whacked as that sounds, it is pretty easy if you know anything about the Spurs current roster, their great scouting success and mostly their desire to create more roster flexability for the next few years.
Finley's unexpected arrival for the vet minimum made Brent expendable if only just to create future options. Perhaps the development of Beno or someone on the farm or someone in the minor leagues made the Spurs comfortable with moving a solid contributor.
Barry is a solid player and will contribute to the Spurs success. At the same time, it is safe to say Pop did not feel his contribution is essential for the Spurs to achieve desired success this year. While Pop was willing to give up Brent to create more future options, I am sure both of these professionals will know how to make the best out Brents extended stay.
and whooottt,
right on.
The Barry Haters will continue to be clueless.
but its great to see others who see his contributions and the true story of a piece of the Spurs le in 2003. Offensive side of the ball Moron Pop would have never played Kerr the decisive Dallas series if it was left completely up to him.
Why Bricks Finley has this free pass to be an experiment. Its been 60 games, that excuse is old and tired. Yet he still gets 20-30 minutes a game.
Hope Pop doesnt screw up another le chance.
I disagree. If flexibility was all they desired, they never would have signed Barry to that deal in the first place, and this trade wouldn't have been considered if Barry had played the minutes and role envisioned by the Spurs. Same goes for Malik and Rasho. It was completely easy for me to predict Barry and Rasho as being the trade pieces this year because their court time per $ ratios are the furthest out of whack - and the court time expected for both was much higher at the time each was signed.
Brent Barry is here to hit outside shots. All he needs to do is pick 2-3 spots where he shoots > 50% (ie: his spot, his shot, Bruce Bowen) and sit and wait...
Parker/Manu and Duncan will get him the ball in his spots and he needs to shoot it. When Barry, Bowen, Finley and anyone else try to become point guards and try to create their own shot, they fall on their faces.
Jaren Jackson shut down the Forum with this philosophy, dude only had 2 shots.
i wish pop would play parker, barry and manu together more. offense runs a lot better with barry than van exel.
Barry has been doing alot better the last couple games. Let's hope this stays the trend, because I always believed that if Barry could do well coming from the bench then we were near unstoppable.
I think it's time to "almost" trade Michael Finley away.
< thinks finley is doing fine... am i the only one or something?
Fine?
Michael is shooting FG 38% and 3G 35%, both really piss poor for a shooter/scorer and way below his career averages. Compare with Spurs team shooting FG 47% and 3G 37%.
Finlwey's starting to get real streaky, like Van Exel steaky, but not as frequent.
I say give all of NVE minutes to BerryNow that Barry got his wake-up call, wouldn't it be something if he started playing inspired ball and won a spot in the rotation? That would be nice. He has loads of talent but has always seemed hesitant to try to force the action.
However, now maybe he can play with a chip on his shoulder. The Spurs didn't want him. They had given up on him living up to his potential.
Can Barry prove the Spurs wrong? Maybe this slap in the face was exactly what he needed.
Revenge would be best served in June.
Barry is the coolest mascot.
In the last 2 games, has Barry's role changed to that of a playmaker or is Pop still using him as a catch & shoot player?
I like Barry too although like others, I'm disappointed in his play so far.
I agree with Ploto, he should see more of the ball - he's at least as good as Beno and much taller. We could use him as a pointguard.
It's not like he'd make stupid decisions with it in his hands anyway - he's usually a pass first type of playmaker.
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