I think that Indian guy in the movie whose people has been dealing with those bears for 7000 years made the most sense. While Timothy probably really loved those bears, he did more harm than good by making those bears comfortable around humans. Now when Mr. Brown strolls up to his human friend, he'll be shot and his gallblader confiscated.
All of Timothy Treadwell's friends say he wanted to be a rockstar and now he is one. I'll give him props for that. I'm not going to call him a dumbass because I think he thought he was helping, but he obviously wasn't was the sharpest tool in the shed.
Just as the filmmaker was trying to paint a picture, so would his organization.according to the "Grizzly People" organization he founded
Tough thing in this cir stance is there really isn't any independant third party to get that info from. Parks and Wildlife would have reason to minimalize his effort, while his organization would have reason to exaggerate it.
Thats true, but there would be a paper trail for 5 poachings within that park.
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_040810_2.htmlThis year, the consequences of Tim's absence brought tragedy upon the Katmai Grizzly population.
Four Grizzly bears were senselessly slain last week in Katmai National Park and a young Grizzly cub is missing. There is now a criminal investigation by National Park Service rangers assisted by Alaska State Troopers.
The first three bears found over the weekend included a 500-pound nursing mother and her 300-pound, two- to three-year-old cub. They were viciously slaughtered near Funnel Creek, about 12 miles south of Iliamna Lake in Katmai, 120 miles west of Homer, Alaska. A third bear was found a little further down the stream from the other two. A fourth bear was shot a few days later.
Because the first bear was a nursing mother, a young cub has been orphaned and is missing and will most likely die.
Claws were removed from the bears although the hides were left on the carcasses. The bodies were mutilated indicating the possibility that the gall bladders were taken. The gall bladders are in demand by the Asian quack medical profession.
On Tuesday, August 10, Captain Paul Watson contacted ranger Missy Epping at the Katmai National Park and offered a $5,000 reward to be added to the $10,000 reward already announced by the Alaska Wildlife Alliance.
"I am hopeful that the rewards will bring forth information that will lead to the arrest of the sadistic killer or killers responsible for this de able slaughter," said Captain Paul Watson, the President of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society based in Friday Harbor, Washington.
It started happening the year after his death. There is no deying that.
Basically, Ice Cold Brewski, and other skeptics are saying that because you have nothing compared to the passion this guy had for an animal, don't have the balls this guy had, don't think its something you woulda done, that he was crazy.
I say Manny Is God has just owned all of you.
Just cuz he hung out with bears does not make him crazy...I saw this show (not the do entary) but they DID mention that he realized the risks he took every day but didn't care.
Its not like he expected to live in harmony with them and them and have bear-man babies....he knew the risks and took them. Risk taker? Yes. Crazy? Not in my opinion.
Also, it's my understanding that one technique he used to protect the bears was the do entary itself...it was supposed to educate people and shift their concept of "Bears" from viscious, stupid, wild carnivorous animal to majestic respectable animal life form.
Why do you see him as crazy? Probably because you view bears as the former.
Why don't I see him as crazy? Probably because I view bears as the latter.
I just don't get what he was doing to stop it while he was there.
What were the stats on poaching during the years he was there?
From what I understand, Zero. But I don't have anything to back it up, its just conjecture.
Passion for doing something can be a noble gift or feat. But not all passion is noble. Not all passion is "good". Has anyone ever heard of Jane Goodall? http://www.janegoodall.org/
There is a person who has a passion for what they do, and go about doing in the proper ways. Researchers have strict guidelines for studying animals in their natural habitats. Those guidelines are as much for the safety of the researchers as for the protection of the animals. When you push those limits aside you risk both your own safety and the animals of which you are studying. You can't protect something if you yourself are the greatest risk to it.
I am not putting the guy down for having a strong passion in what he believes. I don't want to see the bears poached. But I know I don't have the training to go out and push the limits of wild animals, who no matter how long they've been around people, are unpredictable. Animals as powerful and ferocious as bears are dangerous animals. Just like people, not all bears are the same. I think that's one of the most important things that was forgotten by this guy. The problem is, that when dealing with such high stakes, it only takes one mistake.
I think it's great that he was passionate about it ... but because I don't share the same enthusiasm for living with undomesticated, dangerous animals doesn't mean I am without anything I'm passionate about in my life. I don't think he deserved what he got, and I don't think he'd want anyone's sympathy either.
The footage of the bears was absolutely incredible (although I think him cursing at the little fox that stole his hat was the funniest thing ever) ... I just don't think it was worth his life. Apparently he and some of you did/do. My "dumbass" remark was based on nothing but the commercials I've been seeing for weeks about this show, before I'd even seen it. After seeing that he really was that serious about it, then so be it. To me that's just damn crazy.
I also can't see how there's a sane person on this planet that could have listened to anything he said in those tapes and not think that he wasn't at least a little off of his rocker. And that's not spin by the film maker trying to paint a picture...the words were right out of the guy's mouth with no possible way to take them out of context. Caressing bear is caressing bear .
And since when is having a different opinion "ownage"?
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The fox stealing the hat was absolutely hillarious.
Friggin den!
I think the guy could be described as eccentric, but not a dumbass or not crazy in a deragotory way of using crazy.
Yeah no doubt, I agree with that. So going on this, I'd say its more fitting to call him selfish, not crazy. He knew all these things but decided to go against the grain and be up close with them 24/7.
If your opinion is that he was crazy then "ownage" is perfectly fitting...perhaps even....DIownage..And since when is having a different opinion "ownage"?
No, not really.
Well those that call him crazy are calling him crazy because he hada different opinion
Cant_be_Faded is a little biased because he does the same thing as Timothy Treadwell.
Except with spiders.
Okay okay but if you take away that fact you can't ignore the logic that underneath what some have said they are basically saying he's crazy cuz he had a different opinion.
So he wasn't crazy. He was SUICIDAL. That's not an opinion, that's a lifestyle.
That's the only thing I wanted to hear
cra·zy
adj. cra·zi·er, cra·zi·est
1. Affected with madness. That guy must be crazy to play with bears.
2. Informal. Departing from proportion or moderation, especially:
1. Possessed by enthusiasm or excitement: When Tim saw the bear poo he went crazy.
2. Immoderately fond; infatuated: Tim was crazy about bears.
3. Foolish or impractical; senseless: Tim was must have been crazy to think he could play with bears and he wouldn't get eaten.
uhh...yeah..and each check is due to your opinion
i wouldn't say affected by madness, senseless, foolish, or impractical
and let us not forget, mr dictionary, the le of the thread implies the 'madness' definition, which is the one easiest to be up in the air due to opinion
Playing touchy feely "I love you" games with wild Grizzly bears that can, and will eventually kill you, is crazy. Plain and simple. , I used to jump out of airplanes for a living in the army using a parachute that somebody else packed. Balls of steel? Damn right. But even those of us who did it had to admit that we were a little crazy for ever volunteering for it.
Maybe if he would've at least armed himself with pepper spray to ward off the inevitable attack, I'd be less inclined to call him little crazy. Maybe if he would've done his best to keep a safe distance while filming the bears, I'd be less inclined to call him a little crazy. But the fact that he didn't only proves that part of him had a deathwish, and that he got off on the high of playing russian roulette with wild Grizzlies. That's just crazy. There's no two ways about it.
There are infinite ways about it...no camera or relative will truely explain what he thought about the subject and each person on this forum and in this world has their own unique view
Some would say arming yourself with pepper spray to ward of bears is mad
And others would say jumping out of planes is mad (not to mention joining the military...)
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