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I suppose if Dirk were among the league leaders in minutes played I'd be more likely to buy in to your point but at 37 mins per game he only comes in at 30th in the league. Good team them Mavs.
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Chauncy Billups
Dirk Nowitzki
Shaquille O'Neal
What does how many points your teammates average have to do with anything? I think Spurminator's point was that the Pistons have the best starting 5 in the NBA, and it's arguable that Billups is the Most Valuable Player on his own team. On the other hand, guys like Dirk and Nash are the main go-to guys on their team. Take them out of the lineup, and you face a completely different team.
I suppose if Dirk were among the league leaders in minutes played I'd be more likely to buy in to your point but at 37 mins per game he only comes in at 30th in the league. Good team them Mavs.
I don't think you understand the point I'm making in the first place.I suppose if Dirk were among the league leaders in minutes played I'd be more likely to buy in to your point but at 37 mins per game he only comes in at 30th in the league.
The only reason I even addressed Minutes was because you brought up the arbitrary "9 ppg" threshold to define how much help Dirk is getting. The reason that (outside of Dirk) the points are more evenly distributed is that (outside of Dirk) the minutes are more evenly distributed.
Nash isn't really the main go to guy on the Suns, he was only their 4th leading scorer last year when Stoudamire was playing. This year he's averaging less than 7 field goals made per game (30th in the league) and that's with him trying to pick up the slack left by Amare's absence. Not really a go to guy.
I understand the point you're trying to make and I believe my reasoning is solid that more teammates playing more minutes and scoring more points does not equate to Dirk carrying the team. It stresses that the Mavs are getting it done with more balance than the Pistons which does not support your position that Dirk's carrying the team.
Nash, Billups, or Brand, depending on how the remainder of the season goes.
im glad this board isnt biased and votes on real stats...not just hometown favorites.
I like Dirk. But he wont win.
That doesn't make any sense.
Dirk's minutes are 37+ per game. Regardless of whether Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry are playing 20 mpg or 35 mpg, Dirk is playing 37+. How his supporting cast's minutes are distributed is irrelevant. Your reasoning would only be valid if Dirk's minutes were also evenly distributed like the other Mavs.
They're not. For 37+ minutes per game, it is Dirk Nowitzki and four other Mavs on the floor.
If Rasheed and Rip had their minutes REDUCED, and Chauncey maintained the same minutes per game and the Pistons continued to win, would this HURT Chauncey's MVP credentials? By your logic, it would.
Most minutes played doesn't have to translate to carrying the team, it simply means what is says, you log the most minutes per game. it's not as if Dirks playing 10 more minutes than every player on the team, Dirks playing 37.5, Terry's playing 34.4 and Howard's playing 33.9. Now if you want to say it's Dirk, Terry and Howard and 2 other Mavs on the floor that would make sense but not Dirk and 4 other players and that defeats your arguement.
Kobe is scoring 35.6% of his teams points, that's carrying the team.
Iverson's scoring 32.9% of his teams points, that's carrying the team.
Lebron's scoring 31.4% of his teams points, that's carrying the team.
Dirk is scoring only 25.2% of his teams points, nice but that is not "carrying the team".
Nash is scoring 18% of his teams points, that is not carrying the team.
Funny how the teams with 1 player shouldering the scoring load (carrying the team) are average teams.
Kobe, Dirk, Chauncey, or Nash.
Last edited by E20; 02-26-2006 at 11:21 PM.
The media is already hyping Billups. Barring a Pistons meltdown he'll probably win it.
Another arbitrary limit... So what exactly is the percentage of one's team's points that, by definition, cons utes "carrying the team"? 26%? 30%?
The more you post the more confusing your argument becomes.
Are you even suggesting that Chauncey is the MVP? So far your argument has been that Chauncey is the MVP because Dirk doesn't carry his team, as evidenced by the fact that Dirk "only" plays 37 MPG (Chauncey plays 35) and that he "only" scores 25% of his team's points (Chauncey is 19%).
Can't you find any factors that favor Chauncey? Because every one of your arguments against Dirk is even more of an argument against Chauncey so far.
Chauncey definitely belongs in the MVP discussion, but not for any reasons you're giving...
My vote is for Darko for MVP.
Not having Kobe, Dwyane, AI, or LeBron, but including Tim, sort of invalidates the poll.
Not to mention listing Shaq.
Yeah, I know it could have been better...I just quickly put in the names of players from the top 5 teams (Spurs, Pistons, Mavs, Heat, Suns). I should have maybe not made it a poll at all and just asked for names.
If the MVP is according to the record then Billups will win.
If the MVP is according to the heroic performance then Kobe will win.
If the MVP is according to the ability to get teammates involved then Nash will win.
If the Mavs can catch the pistons and become the team with the best record then probably Nowitzki will win the MVP.
the naming of 4 of his teammates to the ASG may have taken the MVP away from billups
My votes:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Lebron James
3. Chauncey Billups
kobe
I know, man, I'm such a friggin IDIOT!!!!! What the crap is wrong with me? Shouldn't they take away my computer before I cause my damage to the world of online sports discussion???
Yeah, I think getting your computer confiscated is a good idea... can't have you putting out incomplete polls now, can we? Lol...
Send ZStomp to pick it up...I'll be waiting...
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