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Sorry, it was a reference to an episode of South Park.
Sorry, it was a reference to an episode of South Park.
So are going to answer the question. I've asked it on another thread and Manumania took a shot at the question by saying that six weeks was acceptable because before that there is no brain activity.
I replied what if that particular kid developed brain activity early? Manumania never responded.
So what is your view? At what moment in the pregnancy is OK to abort?
There is no point. Peabody will stick with mindless one liners ala his jedi master oh gee.
I didn't answer because I didn't read it. To answer your question, I don't think there's been a case where that has happened, but in any case, I believe that to be an acceptable risk. What you are implying is like when a person is medically brain dead, with practically no hope of reviving, it is acceptable to pull the plug, and yet there are people who still believe that person is capable of recovery.
If you can find a case where brain activity has developed prior to six weeks, then maybe I'd reconsider
you have to be the lowest piece of in this forum I swear! waht the is going through your head when you post like that is beyond me!Get bent on my shaft !
Quit acting like supporting anit abortion measures is such an oppressive thing. It's not like you're a ing female.
Your logic is flawed. Pulling the plug on a person who is medically brain dead is no where remotely the same as killing a baby who will be a human (according to you brain activity definition) in a couple of days (if he already isn’t a human, again, according to your definition).
In the first case, you are killing somebody who probably has 0.0001% chance of recovering. In the second case, you are killing somebody who has all his life in front of him.
I’m no a scientist nor expert in this field but the problem I have with putting maximum dates to when abortion is allowed is always tricky because it is very difficult to know when the conditions you were expecting from the fetus have been met or not.
And by the way, 88% of abortions are performed between weeks 6 and 12.
http://www.agi-usa.org/
You also are forgetting the woman's right to choose. My point is even if there is a chance that the fetus develops brain waves before that time, it is a risk worthwhile taking, as opposed to bringing yet another unwanted, unloved child into the world. There are a lot of aspects to take into account, not just wether or not the fetus could develop brain waves before 6 weeks.
I see the problem being that apparently you believe the woman's right to choose what to do with her own body is not as important, whereas I believe it is paramount. However, I do believe abortions should be limited to the first weeks.
Other than the extreme cases where the pregnancy poses a considerable risk to the mother's health, or in the case of incestuous rape, that choice was already made... want to enjoy the pleasures of sex??? Then live with the consequences.
Life >>>>>> the want to preserve status, an 'unnecessary financial burden', or inconvenience.
The underlying problem has always been that people don't want to be told to curb their extramarital sexual activity.... the other 5% of cases would then be evaluted on the grounds of health related issues and not 'inconvenience' related issues.
I suppose you believe that the only acceptable result of sex is pregnancy? Seriously, my cousin was pregnant, who the are you to tell her she has to give up her future just because of your beliefs? huh?
You keep referring to this incident with you cousin. We have no idea
what the cir stances of her becoming pregnant. And it is none of
our business. If it was recreational then why didn't she use protection
herself or make her partner use some. If they didn't want to why didn't
they suffer the consequences and get married and raise a family. They
liked each other well enough to perform one of the most intimate acts two
people can with each other. Abortion should not be birth control.
I supposed she didn't have an in-vitro fertilization (artificial insimination) procedure performed on her.... I will assume (given the context of your reply) that she was impregnated via sexual intercouse (the same way as 99.9999999999% of the population)....
Did she willingfully have sex? (That I cannot assume)
But if she did, you would have to think that she knew the associated risks involved.... you would be naive to think otherwise.
Again... her right to 'pleasure' does not trump another human's right to 'live.'
Strict beliefs... maybe. Or is it that with every passing generation we are slowly desensitizing ourselves to this atrocity in favor of selfish needs? Know this; more people will die this year from abortions than the combined casualties of all the world's wars....
And one more time, there is no need for unwarranted insults.... this is a discussion... not a street fight.
I believe they were using birth control pills. However, the pill is not 100% effective. This is why she got pregnant.
So she was using abortion as a birth control method. I don't buy it. Sorry.
again, it boils down to wether or not you believe the fetus to be a living being
It doesn't matter if you buy it or not, you have no right to make her have the kid, period!
^^OKay, I will ask you. How many weeks/months was she along when she
had it? Feel free to tell me it is none of my business, but you keep bring the
subject up about time. How do you feel about it. Obviously it bothers you.
And I know you care about her also. So, how long should it be. I have no
idea. I just know in my heart of hearts someone has to speak for the unborned,
the innocent. Someone has to speak for them.
I'm not really sure how many weeks. You say someone has to speak for the unborn, but that also has to have limits, or else preety soon, women won't have the right to "tie their tubes" crudely speaking, because what about her unborn children? what about them? don't they deserve a chance to life?
My point is there is a point in the pregnancy where the fetus is not yet a living thing. It does not feel, move, breath etc. In my opinion that fetus is NOT alive. It will be, but it is not yet.
I really don't think birth control, as birth control, tubes tied, the pill or even
the rhythm method is the question, never has been. I think the thing is once
conceived the child must have some rights. It is the innocent victim. The
consequence of two peoples actions, over which it had no control. Someone
has to take responsibility. It is not just a dead piece of flesh. Obviously, we as
two individuals don't have all the answers, but I think history as pass down through
the ages has some answers and the answer then was to take that responsibility.
That said, let me say something else. We have so many cases where children
once born are murdered now days. Society must find an answer. But we cannot
let society slid into where we kill people on both ends of the spectrum. Life must
be respected otherwise we are just like animals.
Xray probably thinks "pulling-out" is birth control.
^^NO, I don't. And those who pratice it must be a whole lot like Clinton.
That right there is well within a woman's rights...
Once life (even at the zygote level - of genetic uniqueness) is conceived, however, it shouldn't be eliminated... especially not out of the sheer inconvenience the life may or may not pose.
Last edited by hegamboa; 03-02-2006 at 04:41 PM.
but if the fetus is not "alive" then it is not "killing", therefore it all boils down to that question. If it does not feel, breath, move, its heart is not pumping etc, what makes you think it is living? You're arguing that eventually it will live, but that brings other issues as well.
there is a point very early in the pregnancy where the fetus is not alive, that is what I'm arguing here. If it does not feel, think, breath, move and has no brain activity whatsoever, it is not alive.
Where are we as humans if it has indeed boiled down to the above question? Does murder 'on technicalities' justify an ends to anything???
When this question arises simply because people want to engage in extramarital sex without reproof of their actions it beckons the question. Has the sanc y of life been thrown out the window over selfish ends?
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