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Yeah, sure.
Happens all the time in Texas and I have no problem with it. I'm sure that my kids will have the critical thinking skills they need to distinguish between fact and ideology.Let's see, a kid is sent to a state run school that his parents are forced to pay for. Yeah, no problem there. I'm sure you'd have the same reaction if the teacher was just, for the formation of the students' critical thinking skills, pontificating on how the current president's leadership was akin to, oh, say a Winston Churchill that you'd so readily defend it?
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, so your saying that his wingnut parents didn't have a hidden agenda when they made the choice to run to the local media instead of handling this through the proper channels first. I call bull .So he's utilizing his 1st amendment rights. What's your problem with that?
"Hidden agenda"? They didn't want their kid forced to listen to someone's personal political viewpoints. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.
and the best way to solve this is to run to the local media who in turn edit the teacher's comments and give blow-hards like Limpballs and Insannity all the cause they need to turn this into a private versus public school issue, right?"Hidden agenda"? They didn't want their kid forced to listen to someone's personal political viewpoints. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation.
If the Parents where so concerned about the teachers comments then why didn't they go to the School Principal or to a school board meeting and voice their concerns?
I don't care what they do. It's their right and the right of their child to express how they felt about it. Why can't people complain about an employee at a public ins ution in public? You do that often.
They chose what they chose. They had the right to.If the Parents where so concerned about the teachers comments then why didn't they go to the School Principal or to a school board meeting and voice their concerns?
If I had a problem with a public school, or public school teacher I wouldn't run to the local media to handle my problem for me, unless I had another agenda, or I wanted to turn the whole thing into a circus.I don't care what they do. It's their right and the right of their child to express how they felt about it. Why can't people complain about an employee at a public ins ution in public? You do that often.
That's one of the beauties built into the Cons ution. You just can't chose to surrender your rights.They chose what they chose. They had the right to.
Dan, did you listen to the whole interview with the young man? This teacher has been doing this all year! The boy didn't tape the lecture with any agenda - he taped it so that he could use it to study later. He just so happened to pick a day when the teacher went on a pretty spectacular rant.
Also, this was an honors World Geography Class, not a history class or a civics class. The teacher should have been teaching the capital of Slovenia, not the politics of George W. Bush! And, finally, because of the lack of teaching, the student transferred to another class (a regular World Geography Class), which was way ahead of the so-called honors class!
The teacher is a joke and should be reprimanded. BTW, would you be so tolerant if the teacher was stating that the Christians are far superior to the Muslims and that the Muslims were getting what they "deserved." Probably not!
Well, that's my point.
...or perhaps to bring this to the public's attention and garner support for when they do go to the school board?
maybe he should just buy the school. Then he can say and do whatever the he wants.
If that had happened in California, I promise you, THAT teacher would not have a job today - and would probably be facing an ACLU lawsuit.
No-one would enroll.
But, yes he could (glad that last thread was so enlightening for you).
Absolutely.
Actually, in a comedic side note....apparently some of the teachers OTHER students made an appearance on the Hannity TV show...
[little background - this was a high school world geography class]
anyway, they were very supportive of the teacher, espousing his wonderfull teaching skills & how much they had learned from him.
Well, when Hannity broke out some questions from the geography bee (not tough ones) they had no correct answers.
Can just see teach at home going Homer Simson, "DOH!"
On a more comedic sidenote, I doubt that Insannity knew the answers either without looking at them.
The boy said that he was a prolific note taker and he decided to tape the class instead of writing notes so just what is this eerie similarity to Hitler?Originally posted by nbadan: Having a student tape the class and report the teacher Is an eerie similarity to Hitler on its own.
Isn't being forced to sit through one man's political diatribe a better comparison?
Bottom line is that this isn't newsworthy. The kid and his parents are "free" to do whatever they want with the recording, but they should have exercised some restraint in this instance. The appropriate thing to do is contact the principal. If that doesn't work, contact the district.
Contacting the Media should have been a last resort. Clearly the parents wanted to make names for themselves and their kid... and yeah, they're free to do that.
Now all they've created is another layer of fear for teachers... Every action has an equal and opposite reaction; sure, teachers will probably think twice before spewing ideology in class but there IS a fine line between ideology and initiating discussion. This teacher crossed that line, but how many other teachers will be unfairly accused of bias?
How many lessons will be recorded out of context and submitted to the Media out of spite? Will it be national news every time a kid records his teacher expressing a viewpoint?
If he is a prolific note-taker, which I doubt from listening to him on the radio, then were is the need to tape the class in the first place?
No one has even bothered to answered my more valid question, why did he run to the press instead of taking care of this as an internal school matter? Was he trying to make a name for himself? I heard that he is now transfering schools, so who is left to deal with the after-math of this attack on free speech in schools? Certainly not him or his wingnut parents who started this whole over-reaction in the first place.
He complained about a public employee in a public forum. You haven't answered my question: what is wrong with that?
What's wrong with it is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. This is the kind of national attention normally reserved for teachers who molest students, not the ones who preach to them.
Well, was it known that it would create this much of a firestorm? Maybe the parents did not feel that the authorities would be receptive to their complaints?
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