Whites To Be A Minority in the United States in decades.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Those that want to speak on their language. Those who want to still
use the patronage system. Those that want to fly the Mexican flag.
In short, those who want to keep all their Mexican ways and not attempt
to try and live like every other American, who happen to come from all
over the world to begin with. Yeah, you know like those who have become
Americans.

Now you want to call me a racist, please be my guest. But I will still choose
to stay here in South Texas and be an American and have my friends.
You live by what ever standards you want to, it's your life, just don't try
to change mine to yours. You or your parents choose to come to this
country, now be part of it. My final say.

considering this is a country of immigrants.. I don't think there is an "every other american" for them to be "just like".
We've had waves and waves of immigration... Irish, Italians, Polish, etc etc.. nowadays we have alot of East africans and Mexicans.
And just like the Irish, Italians and Polish before them they hold onto thier heritage for at least 2 or 3 generations. tightly.
... some Irish and Italian families are 5 or 6 generations "american" and they STILL fly thier home-countries flags and so on and so forth.

To me that's the American thing to do. Diversify. It;s not like we are Canada.. a country of Dougs.

[MannyIsGod]

Those that want to speak on their language. Those who want to still
use the patronage system. Those that want to fly the Mexican flag.
In short, those who want to keep all their Mexican ways and not attempt
to try and live like every other American, who happen to come from all
over the world to begin with. Yeah, you know like those who have become
Americans.

Now you want to call me a racist, please be my guest. But I will still choose
to stay here in South Texas and be an American and have my friends.
You live by what ever standards you want to, it's your life, just don't try
to change mine to yours. You or your parents choose to come to this
country, now be part of it. My final say.

What exactly is American? Someone who speaks English? Well, thats rather ironic considering the level of English most Americans speak is very sub par. Here's an idea: Before asking immigrants to learn the launguage, perhaps we could teach it to ourselves?

And you're right, immigrants come here and comform immediatly and right away. We don't see elements of German language and culutre in New Braunfels or Fredricksburg. Parts of Chicago contain no reminders of Poland. And there are not "Chinatowns" in almost every major city across the country.

I don't think your racist. But I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about either.

[Trainwreck2100]

People should be able to speak their own language, just don't when I don't know what the you are saying.

[midgetonadonkey]

We're already a minority bro.

We live in South Texas.

If we didnt all drive Suburbans, they would make us ride in the back of the bus.

You should ride in the back of the bus er. Why can't we treat you like we were treated for so long. Just because white people decide to treat mexicans and blacks like all other white people does that mean they should get a free pass on racism and discrimination? that.

Mexicans and blacks should be able to discriminate against white for the same amount of time we were discriminated against.

[Vashner]

I like big back...

[braeden0613]

You should ride in the back of the bus er. Why can't we treat you like we were treated for so long. Just because white people decide to treat mexicans and blacks like all other white people does that mean they should get a free pass on racism and discrimination? that.

Mexicans and blacks should be able to discriminate against white for the same amount of time we were discriminated against.

Of course since i was apart of racism against Mexicans and Blacks
What an ignorant statement---comments like that are what make people want to be racist

[midgetonadonkey]

Of course since i was apart of racism against Mexicans and Blacks
What an ignorant statement---comments like that are what make people want to be racist

Nobody needs an excuse to want to be racist. They would be racist either way. I'm just trying to make the point that a bully shouldn't cry about being bullied once bullying is allowed.

[braeden0613]

Nobody needs an excuse to want to be racist. They would be racist either way. I'm just trying to make the point that a bully shouldn't cry about being bullied once bullying is allowed.

yeah but that still doest explain why blacks and mexicans have a right to discriminate against whites b/c of past generation's racism

[gtownspur]

Do not argue with a racist idiot like MidgetandaDonkey. he'll never learn.

[Extra Stout]

Nobody needs an excuse to want to be racist. They would be racist either way. I'm just trying to make the point that a bully shouldn't cry about being bullied once bullying is allowed.

Du bist Affe.

[Phenomanul]

I'm proud of my Mexican heritage... and could probably explain Mexico's history as good as or better than most here....

And yet I could probably do the same when it comes to U.S. history.

The point is (and ObiwanGinobilli pointed it out)... this country thrives on its diversity.

If you don't like Mexican, Italian, or German food.... don't eat it. In this country we have a choice!!!

If you don't like being left out of conversations spoken in other languages how about you make a concerted effort to learn it (that would be the response of any eager mind) ... Sure it's much easier to tell someone to speak English... but again in this country, they have a choice to speak whatever language they choose.

And forcing them to speak english... well, if they want to prosper in America's business world they might have to learn the language anyways... but they will more than likely find ways to prosper in their own cultural niche without a dominion of the language. Again, that's what makes this country great.

Is it a matter of Racism... perhaps? Patriotism... no? It's a matter of not being able to appreciate the diversity of cultures and people GOD placed on earth.

Cultural intolerance can easily lead to racism... and having personally experienced racial threats I would suggest that you all (whoever you are) take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Remember, ignorant people form part of every and any group... don't ostracize a 'race' because a few 'ignorant' people happened to piss you off... and think about it, you've probably done the same to them knowingly or unknowingly (piss them off).

My 2 cents.

[Sec24Row7]

You should ride in the back of the bus er. Why can't we treat you like we were treated for so long. Just because white people decide to treat mexicans and blacks like all other white people does that mean they should get a free pass on racism and discrimination? that.

Mexicans and blacks should be able to discriminate against white for the same amount of time we were discriminated against.

As I recall, about 170 years ago a group of us that were still in the minority then got togeather with some local help and beat the out of the majority in order to get the right to have any say whatsoever.

Way I see it, down here... out of about 450 years of history, 150 years of them have been anglo dominated.

You still have 300 years on us hoss, we haven't really had a say in this town since Gonzo made us build that Upside Down armadillo downtown.

[Mr. Peabody]

You or your parents choose to come to this
country, now be part of it. My final say.

And don't forget that all of the South Texas you claim to love was once Mexico, so many of the people here didn't have families who 'crossed over'. They were always here. So maybe you and your honkey ways need to be a part of it, not the other way around.

[Phenomanul]

I really can't believe he would set himself up for that one so easily.... c'mon xray... not all hispanics are bad for this country... some of us do greater good beyond ourselves.

[Mr. Peabody]

I really can't believe he would set himself up for that one so easily.... c'mon xray... not all hispanics are bad for this country... some of us do greater good beyond ourselves.

I don't think xray meant it the way it came off.

I understand the argument that people should make an effort to assimilate into the culture here in the US, if not for their own good, for the good of their children. It's hard to make something of yourself in this country if you can't speak the language.

[Phenomanul]

I don't think xray meant it the way it came off.

I understand the argument that people should make an effort to assimilate into the culture here in the US, if not for their own good, for the good of their children. It's hard to make something of yourself in this country if you can't speak the language.

And the way I see it... I would encourage others to do this^^^, but you really can't force them to let go of their heritage as part of the deal...

Cue in music for "The More you Know......"

[Extra Stout]

Those that want to speak on their language. Those who want to still
use the patronage system. Those that want to fly the Mexican flag.
In short, those who want to keep all their Mexican ways and not attempt
to try and live like every other American, who happen to come from all
over the world to begin with. Yeah, you know like those who have become
Americans.

Now you want to call me a racist, please be my guest. But I will still choose
to stay here in South Texas and be an American and have my friends.
You live by what ever standards you want to, it's your life, just don't try
to change mine to yours. You or your parents choose to come to this
country, now be part of it. My final say.

I'm not sure you mean the way you're coming across. I'm familiar with the chip-on-shoulder, woe-is-me, -white-people at ude of many Hispanics in San Antonio. I'm familiar with the at ude of people there who intentionally do nothing to further themselves, out of some bull sense of ethnic greivance. midgetonadonkey is a prime example of that.

If that's what you're talking about, I totally agree.

I'm also familiar with Hispanics who work their asses off, who don't speak great English but make sure their kids are fluently bilingual, who are proud of their heritage as Mexicans but also are proud to be Americans, who value all the customs and traditions of Mexico and work to maintain and even share them with others. Maybe they aren't living the same way I'm living, but I'm fine with that, because there are a lot of other Americans who don't share my culture either. I can drive down a street in St. Louis and see Italian and German flags flying, and it doesn't upset me.

If that's what you're talking about, I feel sorry for you. But I tend to think you mean the former.

[Mr. Peabody]

And the way I see it... I would encourage others to do this^^^, but you really can't force them to let go of their heritage as part of the deal...

I agree that you can't force someone to let go of their heritage and it's a shame that you can't.

I think if we all let go of our heritage and pride in our culture, race, ethnicity, etc., this world would be a much better place. I think that being proud that you are white, black, Chicano,..., is an exercise in absurdity. You basically have pride about a characteristic that is outside your control. It's utter foolishness and the result is people like the one that started this thread.

I think you should only be able to be proud of things within your control. Be proud of your accomplishments, the kind of person that you have become, or decisions you have made. But being proud that you are white, Black, Chicano, is absurd. What role did you play in being born white, Black, Chicano, etc.? None. You could have just as easily been born another race or ethnicity.

For example, where I grew up, there were a lot of people of German heritage. I was always hearing from classmates how proud they were to be German-American because of all the great things the Germans did. I always felt like asking, "How much of a role did you play in all the 'great things' the Germans did?" If you haven't done a thing in your own life, you don't have anything to be proud about.

[Phenomanul]

I agree that you can't force someone to let go of their heritage and it's a shame that you can't.

I think if we all let go of our heritage and pride in our culture, race, ethnicity, etc., this world would be a much better place. I think that being proud that you are white, black, Chicano,..., is an exercise in absurdity. You basically have pride about a characteristic that is outside your control. It's utter foolishness and the result is people like the one that started this thread.

I think you should only be able to be proud of things within your control. Be proud of your accomplishments, the kind of person that you have become, or decisions you have made. But being proud that you are white, Black, Chicano, is absurd. What role did you play in being born white, Black, Chicano, etc.? None. You could have just as easily been born another race or ethnicity.

For example, where I grew up, there were a lot of people of German heritage. I was always hearing from classmates how proud they were to be German-American because of all the great things the Germans did. I always felt like asking, "How much of a role did you play in all the 'great things' the Germans did?"

I'm referring to the food, the language, the music, the customs... and none of those are remotely belligerent or even detrimental to the 'American way'....

There is a difference between the concepts of cultural pride... and racial supremacy.

[Sec24Row7]

Mexicans brought me Mexican food and I will be forever greatful.

My biggest racial pet peeve however is the "you owe me" syndrome.

Yeah, I'm a white dude.

Yeah, I have above average income.

No, I didn't put you where you are.

No, I don't keep you there.

No, I don't owe you anything.

I'm not a suppresor because I'm a white guy. I'm not taking any of the blame for what happend before I was born. I was born here. I watched the ing VIA muppets too.

We're all on the same ship and there are plenty of Hispanics doing really really well in this city and around the country.


What needs to really happen is a voluntary crossover between the classes.

Then we will truly be a "melting pot".

It will happen over time... and it is happening now, but don't tell me that there aren't still familes out there where the daughter is looked down on for dating a white dude and vice versa.

[Mr. Peabody]

I'm referring to the food, the language, the music, the customs... and none of those are remotely belligerent or even detrimental to the 'American way'....

There is a difference between the concepts of cultural pride... and racial supremacy.

Maybe, there is a fundamenatal difference in the way we are using the term 'pride.' I am referring to something that people use to give themselves a sense of value or worth in their lives. My argument is that things such as your culture, race and ethinicity should not be a source of self-respect, because they are beyond your control.

[Sec24Row7]

Dunno... pride in your culture, race and ethnicity aren't all bad. If you are a 5th generation Vaquero working on the king ranch, why shouldnt you be proud of that?

You SHOULD be proud of your people's past.

Unless, of course you are white, but that's a different thread.

[Mr. Peabody]

Dunno... pride in your culture, race and ethnicity aren't all bad. If you are a 5th generation Vaquero working on the king ranch, why shouldnt you be proud of that?

You SHOULD be proud of your people's past.

Here's a good example. I attend a lot of functions sponsored by minority civic organizations. At these functions, inevitably, a speaker will go through some of the great accomplishments of minorities and everyone in the audience claps and cheers.

I sit there and though I admire whatever it is these individuals have accomplished, I do not feel any better about myself because these things were accomplished by people who look like me. I also do not feel that I am part of these accomplishments merely because I am the same ethnicity as these people. I don't fall victim to the "We've accomplished this...." syndrome, as others do.

The problem is that I think many people do find some sense of value or self-worth based on what "their people" have accomplished or who "their people" are. I think this is a problem.

[Phenomanul]

Maybe, there is a fundamenatal difference in the way we are using the term 'pride.' I am referring to something that people use to give themselves a sense of value or worth in their lives. My argument is that things such as your culture, race and ethinicity should not be a source of self-respect, because they are beyond your control.

Culture, race and ethinicity are a source of self-respect for me becuase they have made me and continue to make me a well-rounded and diversified individual. Ergo, these things are within my control when I embrace them for the right reasons and not for absurd displays of irresponsible or reprehensible stupidity... such as:

"Because I am a Mexican... I am macho"

or

"Hey Holmes... why you walking into my Barrio without permiso?"

Again, there are ignorant people everywhere.... they don't represent the whole.

[Phenomanul]

Here's a good example. I attend a lot of functions sponsored by minority civic organizations. At these functions, inevitably, a speaker will go through some of the great accomplishments of minorities and everyone in the audience claps and cheers.

I sit there and though I admire whatever it is these individuals have accomplished, I do not feel any better about myself because these things were accomplished by people who look like me. I also do not feel that I am part of these accomplishments merely because I am the same ethnicity as these people. I don't fall victim to the "We've accomplished this...." syndrome, as others do.

Yet sometimes we get this very same feeling when the "SPURS win a championship"... (in the scope of the Stern-led-NBA the Spurs are considered a minority )