Really, like Farakan (sp) is the new face of the Dimm-o-craps?
I don't buy into the notion that ordinary Muslims are a bunch of Islamo-terrorzombies bent on nothing but eating Christian and Jewish brains because Satan is controlling them.
However, I'm starting to have real doubts they can coexist peacefully with the West, and that cartoon flap was extremely discouraging.
There is a faction of Muslims who's creed is to "convert the World to Islam, if necessary by force".
I don't think Robinson (sic) is putting all Muslims into the category it's just that the minority radical factions of that religion are > than the majority that would prefer a peaceful co-existense with the rest of the World.
A powerful, radical, violent minority's agenda carries much more clout that that of a pacificistic, frightened majority.
It's not about tolerance, it's about diversity.....
If God or some higher power exists and created each human, he created each religion as well....there's a reason for this....One truth shouldn't denounce another....
Sorry, but you're wrong. The bible clearly states that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the father except through him. God also said (in the ten commandments) that we should have no other Gods but him. That certainly rules out Buddhism and Hinduism. All other religions are corrupted versions of the true gospel of Christ and are the result of men thinking they know more than God.If God or some higher power exists and created each human, he created each religion as well....there's a reason for this....One truth shouldn't denounce another....
how do you know the Bible is true?
Because it is the Word of God and God wouldn't lie.
that's settled. Next topic, please.
I know a lot of people worship Christ, so does Christ count as a god that we have?
Have you ever heard of the concept of the Trinity? God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ IS God!I know a lot of people worship Christ, so does Christ count as a god that we have?
The Trinity? You mean the notion that there are three distinct en ies that are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), but there is only one God.
I have heard of it, but it doesn't make any sense to me.
Thanks, Peabody. Now Crookshanks is going to quote the entire book of Revelations.
and here is where i will stop reading, countdown till fundy explosion in four, three, two...
So how are the Jews the chosen people if they don't come to the father through Jesus (who is God, as is the Holy Spirit, but you really don't need to go through him, just Jesus, unless you're a Jew, who can just believe in God, not Jesus, even though Jesus is God and they wouldn't be believing in God if they don't believe in Jesus....)The bible clearly states that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the father except through him.
It is easily explained. You see, Jesus is God and the Father is God, but Jesus is not the Father and there is only one God.
Oh, and neither Jesus nor the Father are the Holy Spirit, which is God as well.
"So how are the Jews the chosen people"
Just like some Christian fringe groups are chosen to be The Best: they choose themselves.
Slap and run? That's a lame M.O. fundaphobic.
I think you have to be Dispensationalist to understand. According to Dispensationalists, God changes the rules for salvation every so often. The most recent time, he was upset with his chosen people, the Jews, because he had changed the rules again and sent Jesus Christ to save them, but they rejected him since they were perfectly fine with the old sacrificial order, so instead he decided to save the Gentiles out of spite. However, he's only doing this to make the Jews jealous, and once they come around, he's going to focus on them again. Saved Gentile Christians are like honorary Jews.
I think the Dispensationalists are kinda goofy, so neither do I subscribe to their eschatology (Dispensational Premillenialism), which explains my utter disinterest in "end-times prophecy."
No, not three distinct en ies. Three distinct persons within a single en y.
But think about it hard for a minute. If there's a transcendent, all-powerful infinite God, why should one assume that his nature would be simple for corporeal, frail, mortal humans to understand?
That's the great thing about faith, though -- you don't have to think at all. It's not a big deal; folks can believe whatever they want.But think about it hard for a minute. If there's a transcendent, all-powerful infinite God, why should one assume that his nature would be simple for corporeal, frail, mortal humans to understand?
or define.
Isn't a person an en y, insofar as it has its own independent existence?
That being the case, we have three persons, each with an indepedent existence, each of whom is God and yet, there is only one God.
Interesting discussion, I thought the Bahai perspective was relevant to the discussion, I think it bridges some points of view shown here.
Bahai's believe Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam are all true, in that they teach an aspect of the truth. Each came for the people of that time and region, and are consistent in that they teach the one true God, prophethood and the Word of God, the afterlife and spirit, and most importantly encourage virtuous conduct.
The Trinity is a logically falacious attempt to reconcile bible passages that contradict each other. Bahai's don't deny the spiritual truth of the bible, but they interpret some things differently. For instance, they reconcile this problem of the nature of God and Jesus by saying that the prophet of God is his representative, and the words of the prophet are the words of God, so in that sense he is in a practical sense our only knowledge and experience of God. This is similar to "seeing" the sun, and mistaking the image we see for the sun itself. What we experience here on earth are the sun's rays, an image of the sun. The Prophets of God are rays of the Sun. God is an unknowable essence that we can relate to only through prophets. jesus was not his physical sun, he was his spiritual son, as are all the prophets.
Bahai's say Jesus as the Son is a le showing his closeness to God, and showing he revealed a greater revelation than the previous prophets, but not intended to put him above all prophets of the future. The passages about the servants and the Son in the new Testament are a way of understanding that Jesus brought a new Dispensation, allowing him to change the laws of God given during the Jewish dispensation.
Bahais say prophets reveal the truth to the extent humanity is ready to hear it, so each revelation reveals more, but this has nothing to do with their own greatness, which is equal. When Jesus said he was the Alpha and the Omega, he was saying all prophets are connected through the holy spirit, and are one. Muhammad said the same thing, as did the Bahai prophet Baha'u'llah (died 1892). Thus, only through the Son is true. Furthermore, during the dispensation of a prophet, his teachings ARE the best way to know God, because they apply to those times, and so that teaching makes sense even moreso.
The bible is very clear about what makes someone a false prophet, and I don't think it can be shown that Muhammad was one. For instance, his teaching have born fruit, in that many people are "good, virtuous" people because of his teachings. After his revelation, the middle east went through a cultural and scientific revolution while Europe was going through the dark ages, and there is evidence to suggest the rennesance was sparked through inspiration from cultural contact with the middle east.
Of course there are religious freaks and wackos in Islam, there are Christian whacko's too, (bahai's as well, I'm afraid), and they are not representative of the true teachings. For instance, Muhammad told his people to treat prisoners kindly, to not harm women and children, and to accept surrender. He said all of the other People of the Book (christians and Jews) should not be killed. This contradicts the interpretation of the Mad bombers who are killing innocents through a Jihad justification, obviously. Jihad was originally taking place in a time when Islam was surrounded by enemies, outnumbered and running for their lives. Muhammad was inspiring his people, teaching them to defend themselves and their faith.
I googled 'false prophets' and got back...
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WOW!
Google is good.
Perhaps, it's not only Islam which is being 'radicalized' by fundamentalist extremists. Consider the difference between what Billy Graham once praised, tolerance and peace, and what his son Franklin praises...
Franklin Graham Reaffirms Scorn for Islam
By RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion Writer
Wed Mar 15, 6:17 PM ET
Yahoo NewsThe Rev. Franklin Graham, who outraged Muslims in 2001 when he said that Islam "is a very evil and wicked religion," told an interviewer for Wednesday's edition of ABC News "Nightline" that he hasn't changed his mind about the faith.
Asked by ABC correspondent John Donvan whether Muslim groups had succeeded in altering his outlook about Islam, Graham said "No."
"Do they want to indoctrinate me? Yes. I know about Islam. I don't need an education from Islam," he said. "If people think Islam is such a wonderful religion, just go to Saudi Arabia and make it your home. Just live there. If you think Islam is such a wonderful religion, I mean, go and live under the Taliban somewhere. I mean, you're free to do that."
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The younger Graham angered Muslims following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks when he told NBC News: "We're not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion."
Fortunately God won't be referencing Google on Judgement Day.I googled 'false prophets' and got back...
AND
WOW!
Google is good.
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