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    You folks really think this thing will do all it claims? I don't.

    But once again, old lefty, Dan, wants us to drive sardine cans.

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    You folks really think this thing will do all it claims? I don't.

    But once again, old lefty, Dan, wants us to drive sardine cans.
    Ever that traditionalist.



    Progressives don't just think it's just possible, they think it's inevitable.

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    I think I know their secret, though. That thingy underneath looks like a wind up key.


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    I know it's only a prototype - but it only seats 2 people! What do people with children do? Even if you have just 2 children, you'd have to have two cars to go anywhere with the whole family. And, would they be safe for children - where do you put the car seat?

    Liberals will love them because they're not having many children, but what about those people with 4 kids or more?

    That type of car is not going to be popular any time soon!

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    It doesn't look very safe either, imagine that thing hitting a tahoe.
    nothing is very safe when colliding with a tahoe

    thats why people buy tahoes all the time, so that they can be safe when they run in to other tahoes

    imo there shouldnt be any goddamn tahoes

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    These Smart cars are already all over Europe.


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    I know it's only a prototype - but it only seats 2 people! What do people with children do? Even if you have just 2 children, you'd have to have two cars to go anywhere with the whole family. And, would they be safe for children - where do you put the car seat?

    Liberals will love them because they're not having many children, but what about those people with 4 kids or more?

    That type of car is not going to be popular any time soon!
    It's for commuting! I'd replace my Ford Focus with one and I have 4 kids...I also have a minivan.

    Get a clue people.

    What would something like this mean for the 40 to 60 mile each way commute? , it's better than a motorcycle...and I like motorcycles!

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    Looks like GM needs a clue...

    FULFILLING DEMAND: GM to boost output of its large SUVs
    March 22, 2006
    BY MICHAEL ELLIS
    FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER


    With the new Chevrolet Tahoe selling briskly, General Motors Corp. told workers at three assembly plants that it will increase production of its family of new full-size SUVs by about 11,000 to 12,000 a year, a GM spokesman said Tuesday.

    Despite high gas prices, GM expects strong demand for its new large SUVs coming to market, including the new Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet Suburban and GMC Yukon XL. They are among the company's most profitable vehicles.

    GM will increase the number of large SUVs coming off the production lines at plants in Janesville, Wis., and Arlington, Texas, in June and at Silao, Mexico, in July, GM spokesman Dan Flores said.

    Earlier this month, GM said it pulled ahead production of the Suburban and Yukon XL by two to three weeks.

    Wall Street analysts expect the automaker to partly rebound from last year's losses of $10.6 billion with sales of large SUVs
    Free Press

    also..

    The Impala, which carries five people and their luggage just like the trucks mentioned, but gets up to 31mpg on the highway in base trim.

    DETROIT -- How do you make more profit while selling fewer vehicles? By controlling inventory and squeezing more revenue out of each transaction.

    General Motors is capping production of the Chevrolet Impala sedan at 250,000 units for sale in the United States and Canada this year, a knowledgeable source says. That means GM is sacrificing about 60,000 sales of its best-selling car. GM also will emphasize higher trim levels to increase transaction prices.
    Autoweek

    One can only conclude that at this point both Ford and GM management have mailed in any hope of competing with much more reliable imports, and are now concentrating on breaking their respective companies so they can reorganize under bankruptcy, much like the the Airline industry, without unions, and with no pensions and lower wages.

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    Why does GM need a clue (the list is long, I mean in regard to what you just posted)? The large SUV segment is GM's most profitable. Just because you produce a dinky pedal-car that gets 4000 mpg doesn't mean anyone will buy it.

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    You folks really think this thing will do all it claims? I don't.

    But once again, old lefty, Dan, wants us to drive sardine cans.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    I love my big ass car. I agree with Dan that it is inevitable that big cars will go away and smaller cars will dominate. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality, that's your concern. Let those of us with some foresight do your governing...

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    In my country, you know, where the thin people live? We call them BICYCLES....

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    It doesn't look very safe either, imagine that thing hitting a tahoe.

    My first thoughts exactly.

    Modeled after the vehicle Evel Knievel used to try to jump Snake River Canyon.
    really?? A conservative is saying something asanine to belittle it? Really really?

    You folks really think this thing will do all it claims? I don't.

    But once again, old lefty, Dan, wants us to drive sardine cans.
    Really? An old conservative things its all a big lie? Really really?

    You guys are looking at this the wrong way.
    roflroflroflrofl

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    nothing is very safe when colliding with a tahoe

    thats why people buy tahoes all the time, so that they can be safe when they run in to other tahoes

    imo there shouldnt be any goddamn tahoes


    I think you are destined for great great things. Greatest post of the month.

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    You guys had to start this and now mama is trying to find me a ing bike!

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    I love my big ass car. I agree with Dan that it is inevitable that big cars will go away and smaller cars will dominate. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore reality, that's your concern. Let those of us with some foresight do your governing...
    I love the use of the word: "inevitable". I disagree wholeheartedly. It is
    not "inevitable". And as for "foresight" and "governing". We had some of
    that for about 40 years and look at what it got us.

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    It can't be produced as is.

    No bumpers - since the 60's all cars for sale in this county must have 5 mph impact capable bumpers.

    If they left that off...how are they on airbags? Got to have one for both passengers - also side impact protection bars (new since '99 have to be incorporated), and myriad other safety measure mandated by the Fed. on ALL passenger cars sold in the USA; driving up the weight and cost of our vehicles.

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    In a related note, an "X-Price" of sorts for automobiles is in planning. You can read all about it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3217961/ (you may have to look for the Mar 24 posting... that same page gets updated and presumably past articles are lost in cyberspace)

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    Biodiesel requires more energy to make than it produces... (the return on invested energy is negative)

    Diesels also still produce a LOT more greenhouse gases and other pollutants than conventional gasoline engines do. Even the newer cleaner ones don't completely deal with the extra pollution.

    SOOOOO

    If everybody switched right now, the air quality in major US cities would plummet.

    Save on the gas, but pay for it in lost productivity on a massive scale due to increased health costs from respitory disorders.

    I beg to differ on that. As a farmer i've seen all sorts of different stories going back and forth on Biodiesel and ethanol. I've seen formula's where it says it costs 10 cents a bushel to combine the beans. Any farmer knows that's its about a gallon an acre and beans can run 30-75 bushels an acre. I've also seen formulas that say it costs farmers $500 an acre to grow corn. Round here in northern corn belt its roughtly $300 for near 200 bushel yields. The bottom line is that most of those stories are spun. I dont know what the plants use to convert but i do know the growing part is entirely bull . Do your numbers relfect the soybean meal after processing the beans? Probably not, You go right on ahead eating your cheap food and pointing that biodiesel is too high and not thinking about that. A 10,000 gallan tanker jacknifed a few years ago into a river in Montana and spilled completely out. The quickly washed the dielsel into the river and it was a quite story. Did they get a huge EPA fine/penalty/liberal bashing? No, it was biodiesel and it was completely hamless to the enviroment, unlike cancer causing petroleum. Was that factored into those figures? The soybean has many more uses even after its processed. Canola is another one that may usurp beans as a better biodiesel ingredient. Most of Europe and Brazil i've heard has been using biodeisel for a huge population for quite some time.

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    Normally i don't listen to Rush ( i hate any type of slanted propaganda) but i caught it yesterday when he was ripping Larry David (seinfeld writer)'s wife, a big time enviromentalist for her barbera walters interview where she was talking about using her hybrid car all the time. He poiinted out that they travel in a private jet alot.

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    cancer causing petroleum
    Link?

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    Fess up.. what guzzler do you drive Dan? I bet it's a ing big ass car...

    Like Kerry "those are not my suburbans"..

    Oh how come they are registered to you. "oh those are my wifes".

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    Let's see it proven a viable. And I'm sorry, I'd never buy a car with a tripod design, that's inherently unstable.

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    On the label of every bulk oil barrell it says may cause cancer on the side, look at the labels of petroleum based stuff.

    Do a google for diesel skin cancer. There's an assload of it. Its more carcinogenic then ciggarette smoke.

    People who work alot with liquid diesel or gas are at risk too, its not just from the exhaust.


    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts123.html

    How likely are total petroleum hydrocarbons (TPH) to cause cancer?

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has determined that one TPH compound (benzene) is carcinogenic to humans. IARC has determined that other TPH compounds (benzo[a]pyrene and gasoline) are probably and possibly carcinogenic to humans. Most of the other TPH compounds are considered not to be classifiable by IARC.

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    I love the use of the word: "inevitable". I disagree wholeheartedly. It is
    not "inevitable". And as for "foresight" and "governing". We had some of
    that for about 40 years and look at what it got us.
    The price of a barrel of oil will get more and more expensive at a faster and faster rate over the rest of our lives, this rate will exceed that of inflation, and will eventually get to multiples of the inflation rate towards the end of my projected lifespan.

    That makes it inevitable that vehicles that use forms of oil for propulsion will have to become more efficient because the larger, more inefficient cars will simply become too expensive for most people to operate.

    If you have some alternate data that backs up your disagreement, I would love to see it.

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    It can't be produced as is.

    No bumpers - since the 60's all cars for sale in this county must have 5 mph impact capable bumpers.

    If they left that off...how are they on airbags? Got to have one for both passengers - also side impact protection bars (new since '99 have to be incorporated), and myriad other safety measure mandated by the Fed. on ALL passenger cars sold in the USA; driving up the weight and cost of our vehicles.
    Yup. That is why this vehicle won't get *quite* the milage its producers say, but will still beat the pants off most cars mass-produced today.

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