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I can't figure out what was more predictable... The content of the debate, or the subsequent individual assessments of the debate.
Bush got his smirking ass handed to him by Kerry.
I can't figure out what was more predictable... The content of the debate, or the subsequent individual assessments of the debate.
Nobody listens to what the two candidates are saying. It's always just rhetoric. Any real substance left the building of Presidential debates along time ago. Did Nixon lose to Kennedy over substance? No. He lost because of 5 o'clock shadow. Did Gore lose to Bush over substance? No. He lost because of audible sighs while W. was speaking.
Of course, since W. clearly lost the debate of style, all his supporters can hang thier hats on is the fact that no matter what, W. stayed on the party message.
Was anyone impressed? Polls say no.
Bush bested Kerry in the actual discussion of the issues. Who wants a "global test" to determine when this nation defends itself? Who thinks it is wise to denigrate our allies while trying to recruit others to commit resources to Iraq? Who wants to alienate Japan, South Korea, and China and elevate North Korea to a status worthy of bilateral talks? Also, since when is it wise to give the Iranians "nuclear material"? The best defense against terrorism is to be on the offensive. My opponent says the war was a diversion and a mistake yet how does he plan to recruit new allies? I agreed with my opponent when he said invading Iraq was right and Hussein was a grave threat to the United States last year, etc...
The problem for Kerry is that the majority of Americans agree with Bush on the war on terror and like his leadership, while Kerry's base is split on the Iraq war. Thus when Kerry takes a position on the war he will alienate one part of his voting bloc (perhaps another reason to take as many position as possible on Iraq).
Winning on 'speaking well' means very little when a majority of voters disagree with you fundamentally. Kerry had to win on the substance of the debate and that is where he failed badly.
Kerry had Dubya looking so flustered it was clear that without a script, he couldn't talk his way of a drunk's paper bag.
Bush was clearly disgusted with Kerry's rambling inconsistencies and willingness to surrender American national security to a "global test."
Your boy ed up more than you even recognize. Which is not surprising.
It is all just a matter of opinion.
Bush supporters will always think he won.
Kerry supports will always think he won.
But from what I've seen most polls (but who really cares about polls) show that most Americans feel Kerry did the better job.
Most Americans feel that Kerry was the more articulate speaker, yet Bush was more believable and likable.
Looking Presidential is the first step towards being Presidential.
Yeah, just like Presidents Mondale and Gore.
IMHO, your theory is flawed. Just look at Bush.
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IMO Bush didnt hammer Kerry enough on the "voted for it, before I voted against it"
BTW, Marcus, when has Dunce Mcartney ever brought an intelligent thought on politics.
Still love how, Bush is an idiot because hes not a smooth talker.
So hes a little more normal than the other politicians.
Damn what a slob.
That kind of rhetoric only works when the accusser controls the conversation. I wish W. would go into Sean Insannity-type rants. For one, it would put a spotlight on these ridiculous allegations, and two, it would make these right-wing ideolouges finally look like the complete idiots they are for spouting out this kinda junk. You can run a right-wing radio show spouting stuff like this, but try it in a debate and W. would get his head ripped off by Kerry.IMO Bush didnt hammer Kerry enough on the "voted for it, before I voted against it"
And yet it is preferable for left-wing politicians to advance conspiratorial claims?
Right. Yet Bush didn't need to do so. Unfortunately for Kerry he brought out the pitcher of grape Kool-Aid a couple of times on Thursday night.but try it in a debate and W. would get his head ripped off by Kerry.
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