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    Nazr is only averaging 4 rebounds per game in his last five. So I'm not sure that his stellar rebounding numbers are still something to brag about.
    Yeah, I'd rather see some consistent numbers on rebounds and a little defense than one night where he takes down 20 rebounds followed by five games of obscurity.

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    hopefully boobgate isn't helping the defensive lapses...

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    I'm afraid the Spurs are going to get lit up by Brand and Kaman tonight. No inside defense or rebounding.

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    I'm thinking that the Spurs' biggest need isn't the "long 3" but an athletic 4.
    Yeah, I always included the tweeners in there. Doesn't seem like much can be done about that this season. TJ mings is looking very Udonis-like these days, but he's still damn skinny.

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    I'm afraid the Spurs are going to get lit up by Brand and Kaman tonight. No inside defense or rebounding.
    I agree. If they let Kaman light them up like last time it'll be ugly.

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    It's just a stat on 10 regular season games and it's not that bad as it looks, you should consider that :
    - 2 games were against Suns where the defensive strategy is to defend the 3 pt line.
    - 1 game was a b2b and the 4th in 5 days (Lakers)
    - 1 game was a b2b in al ude against a physical team (Denver)
    - Some games were blowout.

    I don't say it's perfect but you should look behind the stats.
    Spurs are 7-3 on the last ten with a difficult schedule, nothing scary.

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    It's just a stat on 10 regular season games and it's not that bad as it looks, you should consider that :
    - 2 games were against Suns where the defensive strategy is to defend the 3 pt line.
    - 1 game was a b2b and the 4th in 5 days (Lakers)
    - 1 game was a b2b in al ude against a physical team (Denver)
    - Some games were blowout.

    I don't say it's perfect but you should look behind the stats.
    Spurs are 7-3 on the last ten with a difficult schedule, nothing scary.

    You can take any 10 games of the season and you'll find back to backs or other reasons why the field goal percentage D might not be good. But the fact remains that recently it's worse than the rest of the season and it is a point of concern.

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    You can take any 10 games of the season and you'll find back to backs or other reasons why the field goal percentage D might not be good. But the fact remains that recently it's worse than the rest of the season and it is a point of concern.
    Yeah. As someone else (several?) said, there have been an awful lot of uncontested layups. THAT is not typical Spurs basketball.

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    Nazr is only averaging 4 rebounds per game in his last five. So I'm not sure that his stellar rebounding numbers are still something to brag about.
    Over those five games, Nazr is averaging 8.5 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes. Rasho is averaging 3.5 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes over the same time frame.

    The Spurs can't even play Rasho anymore because he rebounds at the rate of a bad rebounding point guard.

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    Also, in the last 10 games, they've had the Rockets twice, Hornets, Sonics, and Blazers. Not exactly a rough group of teams.

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    Over those five games, Nazr is averaging 8.5 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes. Rasho is averaging 3.5 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes over the same time frame.

    The Spurs can't even play Rasho anymore because he rebounds at the rate of a bad rebounding point guard.
    Per 48 minutes stats don't mean jack in this cir stance. Bottomline is Nazr is only giving 4 rebounds per game. Is that enough in your opinion to make up for sucky D?

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    You can take any 10 games of the season and you'll find back to backs or other reasons why the field goal percentage D might not be good. But the fact remains that recently it's worse than the rest of the season and it is a point of concern.
    Except that a b2b at Denver isn't exactly the same thing than a b2b at Atlanta and Spurs play Phoenix only 4 times a year.
    I just think it's just a bad statiscal stretch and I will be curious to see this stat for the next ten games.

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    I will be curious to see this stat for the next ten games
    Me too.

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    I probably agree with most people here. It's a combination of several things. Duncan's not the defender he's been in the past because of age/injury, the defensive rebounding is horrible and people are getting easy putbacks, Nazr isn't the defender Rasho is (even when Rasho is beat, he'll at least foul people.) Also, something I'm not sure other people mentioned, is that Starship Nine (aka TP) might be expaning a little too much of his focus on the other 47 feet of the floor.

    If Pop let Manu handle the ball in more sets, maybe TP would have more energy on D. PGs have been lighting us up lately.

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    Bruno are you in the states? I don't remember. I can only say watching these games lately has been pretty embarrassing as far as defense goes.

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    Per 48 minutes stats don't mean jack in this cir stance. Bottomline is Nazr is only giving 4 rebounds per game. Is that enough in your opinion to make up for sucky D?
    Nazr''s averaging 5.4 rebounds in his last five games. That's more than his per game average.

    Yeah, Nazr isn't a very good defender but Rasho isn't the answer. You can't depend on a player that soft in the playoffs. Rasho is useful against teams like Houston and Miami. Other than those two teams, he shouldn't leave the bench.

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    not another rasho>nazr thread. nazr is the better player. Just let it go people.

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    We'll see how Rasho plays versus Kaman tonight. You might be able to add the Clipeprs as a team that Rasho could see minutes against.

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    Bruno are you in the states? I don't remember. I can only say watching these games lately has been pretty embarrassing as far as defense goes.
    Nop, I'm in France but I watch almost all Spurs games.

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    not another rasho>nazr thread. nazr is the better player. Just let it go people.
    Umm... It's not about Rasho and Nazr. It's about the Spurs sucky team D as of late. As many have said, there's a variety of factors, Tim, Nazr, our point guards.

    So keep your rolleyes to yourself.

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    Yeah, Nazr isn't a very good defender but Rasho isn't the answer. You can't depend on a player that soft in the playoffs. Rasho is useful against teams like Houston and Miami. Other than those two teams, he shouldn't leave the bench.
    The end of the True center in nba is the end of Rasho.

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    not another rasho>nazr thread. nazr is the better player. Just let it go people.
    Well he needs to play like it then.

    5.4 rpg is quite a bit lower than his average as a starter. It's the main reason he's starting, so he needs to pick it up.

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    Nazr''s averaging 5.4 rebounds in his last five games. That's more than his per game average.

    Yeah, Nazr isn't a very good defender but Rasho isn't the answer. You can't depend on a player that soft in the playoffs. Rasho is useful against teams like Houston and Miami. Other than those two teams, he shouldn't leave the bench.
    Okay, five rebounds not four, my bad. Is five rebounds what you expected of him as a starter? Rasho averages 4.3 rebounds as a starter. So the rebounding difference which you claim is huge doesn't really exist if Nazr is going to only average 5 per game.

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    Take it for what it's worse but opponents eFG is 2.5% higher on the court with Nazr on the court than with Rasho on the court.

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    When Nazr was first moved into the starting line-up, Rasho still played noticeable minutes. The first 4 games Rasho came off the bench, he averaged over 16 minutes a game and opponents shot 39%. In the past 10 games, Rasho has averaged right at 10 minutes per game, and opponents are shooting over 47%.

    RASHO:
    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.
    on court: 96.2
    off court: 102.8
    BIG DIFFERENCE!

    Effective FG% Allowed
    on court 44.3%
    off court 46.3%

    NAZR:
    Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.
    on court 102.9
    off court 98.8

    Effective FG% Allowed
    on court 46.8%
    off court 44.8%

    Just no denying-- the defense gives up fewer points and the opponent shoots lower FG% when Rasho is in the game. Period.

    Also interesting- but not surprising. The Spurs as a team rebound better offensiely with Nazr in than out, but better defensively with Nazr out than in. Conversely- with Rasho offensive rebounds are better out than in, but defensive rebounding is better in than out.

    Using the Suns as an excuse plays right into this premise-- Rasho didn't play at all against them.

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