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giving rick fox's name to nash?
Anyone better than greasehead (Nash).
giving rick fox's name to nash?
If it's between Dirk and Billups, it's gotta be Billups. (and I'm not saying I agree that it should be between those two...just saying "if")
Billups is not in Dirk's league. The fact is Detroit has no weaknesses in their starting lineup. 1-5 is strong and not one player is so much more valuable than the others.
uhhh billups is money in crunch time over 75% of the time, dirk is spotty in crunch time.
Yeah Dirk really is spotty in clutch time. The last game against the spurs proved that and games all year this year.
yea, leading the league (i dont know if he is now, but he was WAY ahead of the rest of the league for a LONG time) in crunch time points (5 minutes left in the 4th and OT) shows that he its not very clutch... makes perfect sense...
how could they say stuff like that? Dirk is one of the best clutch players in the league.
billups has 2 trips to the finals, one ring. he was minutes away from a second ring, in large part due to his efforts. regular season is not crunch time.
what happened to dirk vs phoenix last year?
Too bad its not the MVP for crunch time.
Yeah that would go to Carmelo. Statistically he is the most clutch player in the league. Does that make him the MVP? Nope.
if you add billups being clutch with his impressive assist/turnover and his diffrential in winning percentage from the recent yr(2nd seed in the east to best overall record(and to add to the impressive record against the top teams in the mighty west) he is hands down mvp.he may have a good team but he is the leader on the good team,who does the ball go to when game is on the line?(billups)because of his threat clutch 3's and free throws and ability to find open men and make plays for them!
if you take the 7 games alone that billups won in last second shot winnings pistons would be 31/2 games behind spurs in the losing column instead of the winning column .thats just 7 examples of how important billups is not including his playmaking and leadership on the team!
and domination of his playing skills and ability of being able to take over games like he did against the recent game against the suns on national tv!
Billups is a great clutch player but Detroit's starting lineup is full of clutch players. It is pick your poison and Billups is playing at a new level because of it. Ben Wallace is up there with the level of importance as well on the defensive end.
ben wallace has no impact on billups assist/turnover margin or the outburst billups did against the suns or other teams for that matter.ben has actually been off his game the game against the pacer's was actually bens real good game in along time!he has not been a huge impact for the pistons.mathmacally every formula has billups on top because of his overall number's .
billups leading his team to the best record and giving them a huge advantage to go to their 3rd straight finals and host a nba final is more valuable then any number's you can scrap up unless you can show me dirk is better in assist/turnover freethrows 3's made and defense combined and wins for his team you wont convince me like i said i have 7 examples why detroit is even 31/2 games above the spurs right now!and thats only 7
Billups has it way easier than most guys for getting assists, anyone can pass it to Rip coming off a screen who will then shoot a wide open mid-range jumper that goes in all the time.
that could be because billups makes plays and gets them open shots without turning the ball over and throwing it over their head!when games are on the line he isn't afraid to take the shot himself cause he knows a player will have to foul him to stop him and he is money at the line!
so he is a double threat he can shoot in crutch time and a accurate passer who doesn't turn the ball over make accurate passes to his teamates!
I'm not saying Billups isn't a damn good player but just not at Dirk level.
This shouldn't even be a conversion.
MVP = Most Valuable Player
Kobe has put up rediculous number. He will be the first player since Jordan to AVG 35+ a game. Billups/Dirk have had great games but they haven't been as consistent as kobe. 35+ a game isn't a small chore. Billups has had many sub-par nights and Dirk has been off many games i.e Bowen had him in lockdown mode. Despite Billups/Dirk success, if they were off of their respective teams, they'd still be above water. With kobe off the fakers on the other hand, they would lose every single game and they'd be bottom dwellers in the western conference. How they are even in 7th place is mind-boggling to me.
As far as value to his team, kobe wins hand down.
great in point.
I guess Kobe is this year's Most Valuable Player. I never thought of it like that.
Typical Dallas fan: thinks ANYTHING in the regular season can be counted as "clutch".
Chauncy has three things that Dirk will never have: a right testicle, a left testicle, and a finals MVP.
you take dirk off the mavs they win 40 games
you take james off the cavs with a healthy hughes they win 35 games
you take kobe off the lakers they win 10 games
you take chanuncy off the pistons they win 45 games
Kobe is by far the mvp
the mvp is for the regular season not the playoffs
mavs have to win something sometime we all know it will not be the postseason
the reason kobe never had what you call off nights is cause he shoots 32 times a game and only makes 13 of them any player who shoots that many times will get those kinda number's every night but some players dont have the mind set to be a one man show and miss 19 shots instead of passing the ball!some player's love to do a thing called assist,and if you call getting 22 opts and 11 assist a off night then you do so i would take that over a win anyday. we all know kobe can score 50 and his team can still lose so that says something right there!maybe he shoulda passed the ball instead of missing 20 times.
Last edited by x0xbillupsx0x; 04-10-2006 at 07:34 PM.
take billups off pistons they dont have the best record and they dont have a huge advantage to go to their 3rd straight finals and host a finals series.
sorry but last time i checked going to the finals and giving your team a advantage to win a le with HCA is far more valuable then going to the playoffs.and not only that pistons have a shot at beating their franchise record of reg season wins.
you said w/o billups they only win 45 that would put them behind the heat and nets which wouldn't even give them HCA in the playoffs.with your logic in that case billups is the reason we have 62 (1) shy of the pistons franchise record!and i dont know what laker games you saw this yr but the ones i saw on espn and tnt showed the laker's bench coming back when the oppondant had huge leads while kobe was on the bench sitting out cause thats the only time anyone but kobe see's the ball and they pass and give other team buckets when their open instead of shooting and hoping half the shots go in!!
Last edited by x0xbillupsx0x; 04-10-2006 at 07:45 PM.
Give Dirk another 8 attempts from the field and see how their #'s compare...probably about 35 ppg for Dirk too...
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