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    I'd take him over Rasho. The spurs missed out on this guy. But what else is new, the spurs watch as good players move from team to team. Also Caron Butler would have bee a perfect sf fit for the spurs. And it only took an underachieving Kwame Brown to get Butler. The spurs are horrible in getting better with trades.

    The spurs should have made attempts to get both Butler and or Wilcox. Two good players who could have come cheaply.
    Caron Butler is good but I don't like him for some reason. I would have loved Wilcox here for cheap though.

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    Why so sensitive?

    Like I said, I wasn't even dogging the guy when I pointed out he's a bad defender anyway. I think he will be an awesome player in a good system.
    It is ok Kori, I got my period this morning so am a little more emotional.



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    I'd take him over Rasho. The spurs missed out on this guy. But what else is new, the spurs watch as good players move from team to team. Also Caron Butler would have bee a perfect sf fit for the spurs. And it only took an underachieving Kwame Brown to get Butler. The spurs are horrible in getting better with trades.

    The spurs should have made attempts to get both Butler and or Wilcox. Two good players who could have come cheaply.
    I love Caron Butler's game. He seems so much more comfortable here with the Wizards. He's putting up big numbers playing along side guys like Gil Arenas and Jameson. In fact, his absence is the reason the wiz are struggling right now. I think he'd be a perfect fit in with the spurs. He can knock down the outside shot consistently and fearless in attacking the basket. He has extended his range this year to 3 pt land. Even when not open, he can hit shots in your face ala Jamal Mashburn. He's very athletic, quick, a good defender, and unselfish. He is that long 3 people have been talking about. He would have been a great pickup. The wiz have him locked now with 5 year deal.

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    I love Caron Butler's game. He seems so much more comfortable here with the Wizards. He's putting up big numbers playing along side guys like Gil Arenas and Jameson. In fact, his absence is the reason the wiz are struggling right now. I think he'd be a perfect fit in with the spurs. He can knock down the outside shot consistently and fearless in attacking the basket. He has extended his range this year to 3 pt land. Even when not open, he can hit shots in your face ala Jamal Mashburn. He's very athletic, quick, a good defender, and unselfish. He is that long 3 people have been talking about. He would have been a great pickup. The wiz have him locked now with 5 year deal.
    Exactly. The spurs missed out. There are good players the spurs can get cheap every year and Butler would have been a great fit for a team that needs a young 3. I was saying before he was traded that the spurs should get him. He was on the block two times (traded already twice) and I heard nothing that the spurs had interest in acquiring him.

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    It is ok Kori, I got my period this morning so am a little more emotional.



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    Here we go with "the Spurs could've been in the mix on every single trade in the last decade" crap again.

    Take a good look at what the teams got for these guys before saying some like Beno and a second rounder or Barry and cash would have gotten it done.

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    Here we go with "the Spurs could've been in the mix on every single trade in the last decade" crap again.

    Take a good look at what the teams got for these guys before saying some like Beno and a second rounder or Barry and cash would have gotten it done.
    Who said that? Kwame Brown and Radmanovic aren't very good. Butler and Wilcox could have been acquired for less than their value. Work something out thats what spurs management should be doing.

    They cannot see bargains in trades and make something work out. They have done almost nothing in trading for less than market value players. The core of the team is built around good draft picks, not trades.

    The spurs need to get someone who can get some trade steals like other teams pull off. NJ with Carter. R Wallace in Det. Every year there are these type of steals and the spurs never pull one off.
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    You say it over and over again.
    Kwame Brown and Radmanovic aren't very good.
    But they are the players those teams wanted.

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    Who said that? Kwame Brown and Radmanovic aren't very good. Butler and Wilcox could have been acquired for less than their value. Work something out thats what spurs management should be doing.

    They cannot see bargains in trades and make something work out. They have done almost nothing in trading for less than market value players. The core of the team is built around good draft picks, not trades.
    Yes give us all your fantasy packages for those players that would have made them Spurs.

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    I want to at least see that the spurs have some interest in getting these good players when they are on the block for cheap. Usually word is out when teanms are interested in players.

    I would have sent manu and cap filler for Carter. I'm not the gm so its not my job to work something out. But if i was I would have made some solid acquisistions thru trades, much more than what the spurs have done.. Its the spurs who need to make something work out. Like I said at least make some attempts.

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    You say it over and over again.But they are the players those teams wanted.
    I never said Beno and crap for anyone. All I know is Butler R Wallace Carter Wilcox went for far less value. I remeber saying the spurs should try to get these guys and many here in this forum said no.

    The only guys I would try to build the team around are Duncan and parker, package anyone else.

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    I want to at least see that the spurs have some interest in getting these good players when they are on the block for cheap. Usually word is out when teanms are interested in players.
    Yeah, the Spurs are such a loose-lipped operation. Transparent.
    I would have sent manu and cap filler for Carter.
    No - just make it your sig so you don't have to type it over and over again.
    Its the spurs who need to make something work out.
    Yeah, we could've won it all last season if we had only made some trades.

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    Yeah, we could've won it all last season if we had only made some trades.
    They won despite their poor track record at trading. Because they won last year doesn't mean they can just sit on their roster and not try to jump at a good opportunituy to improve.

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    Just because we didn't hear about the Spurs going after a player doesn't mean that they didn't do it. CIA Pop showed CIA Buford all his tricks.

    After 3 Championships and bigtime coups (Parker, Ginobili) that are the envy of the NBA, you would figure Spurs fans would realize maybe the FO knows what they are doing. Or, at the very least knows more than you do.

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    I never said Beno and crap for anyone. All I know is these guys went for far less value.
    The Lakers thought Brown was worth $7.5 million to start.

    Look, the most attractive trade bait is young guys on rookie deals and expiring contracts. You'll find both in all those deals you are whining about. At present we don't have much of either, and other teams have more. That's just how it is when a team finally uses its full budget to lock up its core long term.

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    They won despite their poor track record at trading.
    They won despite whing es who think any trade can happen because they read a Sam Smith article.
    Because they won last year doesn't mean they can just sit on their roster and not try to jump at a good opportunituy to improve.
    They are always looking and always trying. Sorry they don't feel obliged to inform you about every phone call.

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    The Lakers thought Brown was worth $7.5 million to start.

    Look, the most attractive trade bait is young guys on rookie deals and expiring contracts. You'll find both in all those deals you are whining about. At present we don't have much of either, and other teams have more. That's just how it is when a team finally uses its full budget to lock up its core long term.
    Don't give me excuses. When the spurs have expiring contacts they don't pull off trades. They haven't made an impact trade in getting anyone other that backups in years.

    The spurs never have value to trade but other teams manage? Other teams sign top free agents the spurs get Rasho Barry ect. Good thing they have drafted Parker and Manu and got lucky with the ping pong ball with Duncan.

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    I love watching rascal getting owned

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    When the spurs have expiring contacts they don't pull off trades.
    Because they had to use cap space to re-sign their core - no excuse. Reality.
    The spurs never have value to trade but other teams manage?
    Trades are not done to satisfy fantasy basketball players. The Spurs' conditions and needs are much more specific than some suck ass rebuilding team. It's such a curse to keep championship teams together, isn't it?
    Good thing they have drafted Parker and Manu and got lucky with the ping pong ball with Duncan.
    Yes it is a good thing - so good the Spurs don't have to trade their entire roster every season in an attempt to get the right mix. I mean look at all the rings Portland and Philly got with all their trades, to say nothing about their total payrolls the past 7 years.

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    Other teams sign top free agents the spurs get Rasho Barry ect. .
    Last time I checked, they got the top free agent last year. And with him and the others added to the mix, the Spurs are on pace to win a franchise record.

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    By the way, I wasn't even really knocking the guy by saying he's a bad defender in my original post. He's 23 (?) and I think if he applies himself (as someone else stated) he can easily be an All-Star caliber player. I like him a lot.
    All star? He can be very good, but not an all star especially since he's a F-C in the west.

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    spurs can't afford to sign "top tier" fa's and they don't need to. their core is set and they need role players to complement what they already have.

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    I am surprised Nazr Mohommed hasn't come up in the argument yet ... oh well.

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    Because they had to use cap space to re-sign their core - no excuse. Reality.Trades are not done to satisfy fantasy basketball players. The Spurs' conditions and needs are much more specific than some suck ass rebuilding team. It's such a curse to keep championship teams together, isn't it?Yes it is a good thing - so good the Spurs don't have to trade their entire roster every season in an attempt to get the right mix. I mean look at all the rings Portland and Philly got with all their trades, to say nothing about their total payrolls the past 7 years.

    Portland for years and Phil and Denver and Phoenix and now NJ did good with improving with trades. Because they haven't won it all doesn't diminish the fact that they made many good trades. With their managements had any of these teams got lucky enough to land Robinson and or Duncan they would have also won les.

    I don't care about payrolls. Its a bonus to be able to pay and not be so tight to get players.

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