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    And I agree a 39-year old achy-back David Robinson would still be better than either of these mutts.

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    And I agree a 39-year old achy-back David Robinson would still be better than either of these mutts.
    I'm thinking Chris Washburn might be a better choice at the moment

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    Why is it, Im the only one that feels good.....

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    Why is it, Im the only one that feels good.....
    Because you are a complete homer.

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    I'm thinking Chris Washburn might be a better choice at the moment
    Bill Wennington!

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    Roy Tarpley?

    I was going to say Len Bias, but that would be a little too off color.

    Will Perdue WAS in the house tonight . . . .

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    Because you are a complete homer
    Someone that dislikes both of the centers, Udrih and Barry, I don't think is a homer.


    I just feel, when this team PLAYS TOGETHER, not missing anyone.

    It plays it's best D.


    Amazing how a guy that supposedly "quit" on this team last year, is now a complete homer.

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    I wonder what Chuck Nevitt is up to?

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    Someone that dislikes both of the centers, Udrih and Barry, I don't think is a homer.
    Someone that dislikes both of the centers, Udrih and Barry, doesn't know their positions.




    (Yes, I know what you really meant.)

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    Rasho and Nazr for Dwayne Schintzius and Uwe Blab

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    Let me put this in perspective: Kwame Brown is playing better than either of them at this point.

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    Someone that dislikes both of the centers, Udrih and Barry, I don't think is a homer.


    I just feel, when this team PLAYS TOGETHER, not missing anyone.

    It plays it's best D.


    Amazing how a guy that supposedly "quit" on this team last year, is now a complete homer.
    I was kidding with my characterization.

    But I have to say this: if you truly believe that there are simply no defensive problems with this team, I don't think you've been watching very closely. How much of that is effort remains to be seen, but of late, it sure appears that teams have been able to force switches on the perimeter, create mismatches, drive the ball with impugnity, and meet little or no resistence at the rim. Pop has called several timeouts of late to address the poor efforts in backside rotation by the Spurs bigs. It's made worse by the fact that many of the Spurs wings and guards (including Bowen) have been beaten regularly off the bounce. Against Sac, Dallas, and Orlando, the Spurs have needed defensive stops and simply have not been able to get them. You can say it comes down to missing a guy here or there, but frankly, I'm not buying that.

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    I know you were!

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    I wonder what Chuck Nevitt is up to?
    Someone has to say it:

    BRING BACK BATEER!!!

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    Im not saying there haven't been problems.

    That would be totally blind.

    BUT,

    the problems have been compounded by missing Ginobili, Parker and Horry.


    You could pretty much say Parker and Ginobili missed the game tonight.

    A healthy Parker and healthy Ginobili would've been fantastic to have on the defensive end.


    Sorry if that makes me blind thinking that way.

    You can say it comes down to missing a guy here or there, but frankly, I'm not buying that.
    You can not buy it or do.

    But its a fact.

    Ginobili = good defender

    Parker good

    Horry good


    not having ALL THREE at the same time tonight HURT.

    not having ALL THREE against Dallas HURT.

    Period.


    Sorry if that makes me blind and stupid.

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    spurs sucked just as badly when rasho was playing. nazr only played 15 minutes, you can't pin this loss on him. i've got a novel idea though, maybe the perimeter defenders could at least try playing some defense on their man instead of expecting the big men in the middle to bail them out on every possession.


    Check Pop's play book.

    It is not going to happen.
    It is the AJ RULE , see Malik
    that this is the way the Spurs are to play defense.

    except BOWEN.

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    You can not buy it or do.

    But its a fact.

    Ginobili = good defender

    Parker good

    Horry good


    not having ALL THREE at the same time tonight HURT.

    not having ALL THREE against Dallas HURT.

    Period.


    Sorry if that makes me blind and stupid.
    I'll disagree with your assessment of Parker's defense; I think he's been pretty horrendous all year and I think his defensive deficiencies hurt the Spurs significantly in terms of staying true to the scheme.

    I also think this team should be good enough by now to get by on a night or two without a player. Last year's team missed Duncan for the better part of a month, but didn't give up a run of poor defensive games like this team has -- particularly not that sort of run at home. And you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that Parker, Ginobili, or Horry is more significant to the Spurs' team defense than Duncan was last year.

    I'm not slashing my wrists or anything, but this team doesn't look remotely like a team that can just get stops whenever it needs to.

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    I'm surprised no one mentioned Pop's head exploding when Nazr totally screwed up the play in the fourth quarter. The Spurs came out of a time out- Pop had just put Nazr in. He totally was in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing- Pop was yelling at hm where to be- Pop got red- beat the table- turned and yelled- Rasho get back in there!

    There is a good reason Nazr only played 15 minutes tonight. When Rasho is rebounding at a higher rate than Nazr, you should play Rasho. Pop did just that.

    As for the defense, it looked awfully pretty there in the first quarter when Tim and Rasho were on the court together. The best part of the game was the 6 minutes they were both on the court then in the first quarter- the Spurs outscored Orlando 16-8 during that stretch.

    As for the rotation- you just can never figure with Pop this season. I must say I am surprised to see so much tinkering with these 2 with only 3 games to go in the season. Pop will use Rasho for several games- and then hardly at all- and then now again for a couple of games. It just seems that he thinks it is about how players match up- Rasho on Howard. It appears that Pop's supposed choice of Tim, Horry, and Nazr for a 3 man big man rotation for the play-offs must not be written in stone, after all. Like tonight, Pop was READY to put in Rasho ASAP. The first time Howard scored, Pop went over to talk to Rasho. Then Howard scored again. When Howard grabbed the rebound from Nazr, Rasho was in.

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    spurs sucked just as badly when rasho was playing. nazr only played 15 minutes, you can't pin this loss on him. i've got a novel idea though, maybe the perimeter defenders could at least try playing some defense on their man instead of expecting the big men in the middle to bail them out on every possession.
    I make a point not to comment on games that I haven't seen - there's enough people who do that without me pitching in. So I'll just respond to the two things that have nothing to do specifically with yesterday's loss.

    - You can't pin the loss on Nazr, just as you can't pin it on any other single player. Spurs basketball is team basketball, when they forget that we're usually in trouble.

    - Spurs defense work so that the perimeter defender are backed up by (usually) two big men in the paint (or thereabout). Nazr main problem is in the execution of this part of the scheme. I gave him props when he had his monster game a month ago and although he was making the same errors during that game too he made up for them on the offensive. Unfortunately that only happened in one game. Nazr need to understand that he MUST play good defense every game and then have a break out game every so often - the break out games only are not enough.

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    Rasho and Nazr are average centers. They have different qualities/defaults but all in all none is way above the other. However, Pop has choosen Nazr and matchups won't likely be good for Rasho durind the playoffs. We have to live with Nazr and see what happen this summer (Rasho or Nazr or none for next season).
    And don't forget that our real starting center for the playoff will be Tim Duncan with Horry as starting PF.

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    Just for the record...

    "Nazr Mohammed was benched to start the second half for his poor defense on Howard."

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....1cc3dc29.html

    I don't see how you can conclude that we will have to live with Nazr. Pop had no problem choosing to "live" without him last night.

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    Dear Pop,

    Please, play Horry in the playoffs, win the le, and then ship both Nazr and Rasho somewhere.Anywhere. Then, please, bring Javtokas and/or Scola.

    With best regards from all of us Spurs fans who remember and love DRob!

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    Maybe Rasho and Naz had the flu.

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    I don't see how you can conclude that we will have to live with Nazr. Pop had no problem choosing to "live" without him last night.
    For various reasons :

    - Pop will play with a 3 big men rotation during the playoff. He do that every year : Duncan/Robinson/Rose in 03, Duncan/Rasho/Horry in 04 and Duncan/Nazr/Horry in 05. If Duncan play 38mpg and Horry 28mpg, I don't see Pop splitting the 30 remaining minutes 15/15 between Nazr and Rasho. Nazr or Rasho will be in the regular rotation for the playoff.

    - Rasho hasn't played a lot since march 1st. I don't see Pop changing his rotation just for the playoff.

    - Nazr sucks when he has to defend against big or strong big men (Shaq, yao or Howard). We will likely face Kings,Mavs,Suns and Pistons during the playoff : none are good matchups for Rasho (or bad matchups for Nazr).

    I'm not saying Rasho<Nazr but I just try to understand what Pop will do during the playoff.

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    Dear Pop,

    Please, play Horry in the playoffs, win the le, and then ship both Nazr and Rasho somewhere.Anywhere. Then, please, bring Javtokas and/or Scola.

    With best regards from all of us Spurs fans who remember and love DRob!
    Great idea !
    Nazr will be a free agent this summer, no need to trade him.
    Let's say we trade Rasho (and we don't re-sign Nazr), we sign Scola and Javtokas.
    Our PF/C rotation will be :
    Duncan, a 36 years old Horry, a sop re who has made a bellow average rookie season (Oberto) and 2 rookies. Great !
    Scola won't solve our center troubles, he is a PF and isn't a great defender/rebounder. Javtokas can be good but he will be a rookie and he isn't the most dominant player in europe.

    I can't see Spurs starting the season next year without Rasho or Nazr or a nba tested center (or PF in the unlikely case they planed to move Duncan at center).

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