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    I'm not sure Miami is even the second best team in the East.
    Larry Hughes is back.

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    Think about it...

    Shaq and Wade are their main guys. Posey can shoot the three, and Williams has been doing good for them. Walker has played good recently, and he can shoot if he's hot. Payton can still run the offense and shoot, and Mourning is a defensive beast. They got all the necessary ingredients, they just need to mix them right.

    Plus, they have Pat Riley.

    You don't just suddenly turn it on in the playoffs. It's not their record against so-called "elite" teams ........... it's their record against winning teams that makes me not even give them a 2nd thought.

    Think about this for a minute ............ most teams in the league have losing records. Hard to imagine, but think about it. Then think about this: The Heat's 5th best record has been made up primarily on beating those teams.

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    You must hate the Spurs (and your wife)
    If they can turn GR around, imagine what they can do for Walker.


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    Larry Hughes is back.
    New Jersey took 3 of 4 from the Heat in the regular season, and they are on a collision course in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

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    The 2000-2002 Lakers had 2000-2002 Shaq. Plus, Kobe is just a tad better than Wade(right now)...

    Then your previous statement can't be credible can it?

    Contradicting urself....



    Anyways, Wade will be better in the playoffs than Kobe....
    Wade has interior game, Kobe relies 80% on his jumpshots...
    In the playoffs, interior game will be the key...

    Don't count out the heat.
    Everyone in the playoffs will get their straightened out, you can see Duncan creeping out of his injury.... Shaq can start to get back into it knowing it's the playoffs, if he's motivated... the other team is in trouble.
    And wade is always commited to get to the basket, which will obviously hurt detroit... in the playoffs, anythin can happen.

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    No one is counting out the Heat entirely. But I like our chances. We hear the same thing every year... "I know they beat them last year, but come on... There's no way they do it again. Shaq and (insert swingman superstar here) are too good".

    It's the same old story.

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    Don't get me wrong, I do believe Detroit is the better team, but I just have a "feeling."

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    Don't get me wrong, I do believe Detroit is the better team, but I just have a "feeling."
    Nothing wrong with that, if a few things went Miami's way, maybe they could pull it off, but they would need some serious breaks.

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    Detroit will make it to the finals. They may not sweep their way there, but they will get there.

    NJ may be their biggest threat because of one person - Jason Kidd. He can find people before they even get there. Detroit has also shown recently that they like to run and gun, which plays into NJ's hand.

    But in a 7 game series, I pick Detroit over the rest of the east.

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    Detroit has also shown recently that they like to run and gun, which plays into NJ's hand.
    Just to clarify... The Pistons are actually the 2nd slowest paced team in the league next to the Grizz.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...26league%3dnba

    Rip and Tayshaun occassionally like to mix it up in transition (Rip on the pull-up or Tay on the alley-oop), but when the ball's in Chauncey's hands the Pistons play a very slow and deliberate style of offense.

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    Think about it...

    Shaq and Wade are their main guys. Posey can shoot the three, and Williams has been doing good for them. Walker has played good recently, and he can shoot if he's hot. Payton can still run the offense and shoot, and Mourning is a defensive beast. They got all the necessary ingredients, they just need to mix them right.

    Plus, they have Pat Riley.
    Think about it... Sheed, Rip, Tay, Billups, and Tony Delk all can shoot 3's, All of them including the bench have been playing good recently, Delk blend in well with the team, and he can shoot if he is hot, Hunter can still run the offense and shoot, Dice has been playing like a beast. We got all the necessary ingredients, and we mix well.

    Plus, Riley is a bit overrated.

    Just like you said :"They got all the necessary ingredients, they just need to mix them right." They already have used almost six months to mix those ingredients. But not so good. Do you really think they can ALL OF A SUDDEN gel in the playoffs?

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    If Zo comes back healthy, which I doubt, and the Heat play an inspired, near perfect series, is the only way Miami makes it out of the East.

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    Then your previous statement can't be credible can it?

    Contradicting urself....



    Anyways, Wade will be better in the playoffs than Kobe....
    Wade has interior game, Kobe relies 80% on his jumpshots...
    In the playoffs, interior game will be the key...

    Don't count out the heat.
    Everyone in the playoffs will get their straightened out, you can see Duncan creeping out of his injury.... Shaq can start to get back into it knowing it's the playoffs, if he's motivated... the other team is in trouble.
    And wade is always commited to get to the basket, which will obviously hurt detroit... in the playoffs, anythin can happen.

    Wade will be better than Kobe? I will take Kobe with no doubt. Wade is not good at shooting jumpers, he can't hit 3's, he turns the ball over quite often. Only thing he does is drive to the basketball. That's not enough when you play a team have Wallace X 2 waiting for you under the basket. That move risk you more to get injuried. I don't think he wants the same thing to happen like last year. We have proved we could limit Wade in the past two meetings. Their role players need to step up otherwise they are even worse than both DAL and PHX.
    No one is counting out the heat. The heat is just the mavs or the suns to the spurs. I don't think the spurs count out mavs and suns. But they should be confident they can beat them.

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    The 2000-2002 Lakers had a third scorer?

    Yes, they did. It was a question every season, but they found one. When they stopped finding a 3rd scorer is when they stopped winning Championships.

    In 1999-00, it was Glen Rice: 12.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 2.1 apg.
    In 2000-01, it was Derek Fisher: 13.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.0 apg.
    In 2001-02, it depended on the series. Fisher (10.2), Fox (9.8), and Horry (9.2) took turns.

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    Detroit won't come out of the East, it will be Miami.

    Honestly, I've been thinking about it, and I think they can. I believe someone is going to get injured on Detroit's roster and they're going to suffer. Delfino won't be with them either apparently, so that takes away. Limited bench and what not, the Heat with a vastly improved Shaq can beat them. And Wade is just unstoppable.

    Thoughts?
    Dude, I have been saying MIA is commin out the east for MONTHS now.

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    Yes, they did. It was a question every season, but they found one. When they stopped finding a 3rd scorer is when they stopped winning Championships.

    In 1999-00, it was Glen Rice: 12.4 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 2.1 apg.
    In 2000-01, it was Derek Fisher: 13.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.0 apg.
    In 2001-02, it depended on the series. Fisher (10.2), Fox (9.8), and Horry (9.2) took turns.
    Not to mention

    Kobe >> Wade
    99-02 Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq now.

    Shaq puts up 26/10 now and it's a fantastic game. That was a ty game for him in the playoffs back in the day.

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    Shaq is in a good shape and you can deny that Miami is a very talented team.
    There are lots of question marks about them but they have the upside to beat Pistons and Spurs.
    So yes, they can beat Detroit but it's unlikely.

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    Heat's record against the top 5 teams this year: 2-10.
    I thought at the beginning of the year they would take the Pistons out but I think they messed up their team too much in the off season by losing Jones and getting Walker.

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    Look up Miami's record against Detroit and other good teams, and I think you'll change your mind. Detroit will make it to the finals.

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    There's no way New Jersey would beat the Pistons in a 7 game series. No way.


    If the Pistons stay healthy, they are back in the finals. I would put all my money on it. They are more of a lock than the Spurs are.

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    Last year's Miami team, if healthy, would have gone to the Finals. This year's team, if healthy, might win two games against Detroit.

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    1. Miami or New Jersey beating Detroit to go to the NBA Finals is as likely as Dallas or Phoenix beat San Antonio to go to the NBA Finals. Any of the four scenerios could happen, but it would be extremely surprising if any did happen.

    2. Carlos Delfino has been relegated to essentially the 10th player off the bench, especially after the addition of Tony Delk, who has spent quite a bit of time at the 2-guard position. While many Pistons fans want Delfino to play more, if he isn't available for the playoffs, it really won't be that detrimental to the Pistons, the way the rotations have been most of the season.

    3. The 2000-2002 LA Lakers--as already mentioned--did have Glen Rice and Derek Fisher. And, a third scorer was not as necessary with those Laker squads when the top two scorers were producing around 60 ppg in the playoffs. Shaq was still playing 37-40 mpg. Shaq plays around 30 mpg now. You just can't make the analogy. Different teams, different Shaq.

    4. If an season ending injury happens to one of the Pistons starters, Detroit probably won't make it to the Finals. If an season ending injury happens to Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, or Manu Ginobili, the Spurs probably won't make it to the Finals. Any injuries that still allow those players to continue to play, I think Detroit and San Antonio still make it all the way to the final series.

    If you have two 18 year old kids, both who have been driving since they were 16 years old, and KID A has a clean driving record and no accidents, and KID B has been in five accidents and has been ticketed 7 times, are you going to predict KID A is going to get into an accident because he's due for one??? Why do people continue to predict an injury on Detroit's players???

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    Heat's record against the top 5 teams this year: 2-10.
    That was just an edumacated estimated guess.
    When I checked it against the top 4 teams: Dallas, SA, DET, PHX,
    they are 1-8.
    Pretty close anyway. They did beat DET 1 out of 3. They won by 2 points. they lost by 5, 9, and most recently, 13.

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    Sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else.

    Much in the same way you assume a Pistons' player could be injured, it could happen to anyone else in any other team. Some seem to think that, since they've been fortunate so far, the Pistons are due for an injury. That's simply not the way things work. Chance doesn't have memory. In other words, if you toss a coin 10 times and you got all heads, the probability of heads happening again on the 11th time is the same as if any given combination had occurred.

    As for Shaq and Wade being unstoppable, that may very well be the case, but it's not a 2 on 2 game, it's 5 on 5. And, when it comes to basketball, the best lineup in the league wears the Pistons' jersey.

    As far as Delfino goes:
    There's a thread in here somewhere talking about him playing with Argentina instead.
    Read that article again and tell me where does it say what you claim, in Delfino's words. Do not bother quoting some sentence twisted by the journalist to come up with an enticing le... just Delfino's own words. He simply doesn't say that, no matter how badly people want to read otherwise.
    he wants to play for the argentinian team this summer and it coincides with the NBA playoffs. he may rather play for his country than the pistons apparently though the article that spoke about it seemed sketchy
    It's just a part of the schedule that overlaps with the NBA finals. Manu, for instance, will play for Argentina at the WC and hopefully will be in the finals as well.

    Sorry. I wish I could say different, but I can't see any logic that would lead me to agree with you. At least not going by your arguments. Half truths and a prolific imagination don't add to a fact.

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    If you have two 18 year old kids, both who have been driving since they were 16 years old, and KID A has a clean driving record and no accidents, and KID B has been in five accidents and has been ticketed 7 times, are you going to predict KID A is going to get into an accident because he's due for one??? Why do people continue to predict an injury on Detroit's players???
    Horrible example. You're comparing events with clear correlation to correctable behavior versus events which have a close to random distribution.

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