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If Tim would be teleported to the '60 ?
What a dominator he would be.
What if Timmy not only would have been born a couple of years earlier, but what if he'd of been born with wings???
That would have been awesome. Then his foot and ankle problems of the last couple of years wouldn't have been an issue as he could just fly uncontested to the hoop every time!!!
That would have been the shizznizzliest ultra coolest thing of all!!
If Tim would be teleported to the '60 ?
What a dominator he would be.
I mis-worded my last sentence. What I meant to say is that they would have won rings if it weren't for his injuries.
What if we clone DRob and TD, raise the clones in a secret laboratory, and then draft the clones in 2025. Maybe we can get some MJ DNA from his barber too.
It wouldn't work, the clones would age too fast and result in a pre-mature death.
The MJ clone's head would blow up everytime we play Chicago
Okay, so we get fake birth certificates and draft them in 2015.
Yeah I thought so
Why don;''t we clone Timmys and David's genoms And we would have Tim Robinson.
That would be machine, and if we can make mix from Manu, Jordan, and LeBron wow.
Guards are needed to have a great team. They are the in ators of the offense both from a passing and scoring standpoint. But Hakeem Olajuwon won his first NBA Championship with Kenny Smith and Veron Maxwell as the starting guards. I can name 8 or 9 All-Star pairings in the backcourt that never won a Championships together.
And the "Twin Towers" is a created term. Weren't James Worthy and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar "twin towers?" Weren't Kevin McHale and Robert Parish "twin towers?" All were All-Stars and all were Hall-of-Famers.
In Hakeem's HOF biography on NBA.com it states that him and Ralph Sampson invented the orginal Twin Towers. Hakeem playing C at 7'0" and Ralph playing PF at 7'4" and IMHO Ralph and Hakeem > David and Tim.
EHJ --
I don't think we need to go off on flights of fancy like that. There's no need to be ridiculous when we're having an important serious discussion like this one.
If Tim and Dave had both just been born with a biological mechanism to give each of them complete immunity from aging and injury after the age of 25, I think we all know what the score would be.
Wings?!? Come on.
EHJ --
I don't think we need to go off on flights of fancy like that. There's no need to be ridiculous when we're having an important serious discussion like this one.
If Tim and Dave had both just been born with a biological mechanism to give each of them complete immunity from aging and injury after the age of 25, I think we all know what the score would be.
Wings?!? Come on.
True, true. My bad.
Probably not...because they would never have been born...their parents (or maybe even grandparents) would have been the ones in the death camps.
Gottamn...when did it become my lot in life to educate clueless Pistons Fans? I didn't ask for this ing job.
For the 1 trillionth time...that Rocket team also had Mario Elie and Sam Casell on it.
Cassell was a flat out stud in the playoffs on both the Rockets le runs, often being their closer...Mario Elie was a tough leader, he started on our le team, and everyone talks about Kenny Smith like he was a freaking scrub...dude is the only player I know of to ever play in a dunk and 3 pt contest in the same All Star Game...he also lead the Rockets on their longest winning streak in history(to that point) while Hakeem was out with a brokwn face...
Stop acting like that Rockets team didn't have some great ing guards...one of them went on to make and All NBA team, one of them went on to start on our first championship team...
And those were the ing back ups on that team.
Gee, a "created term", and you are probably wondering why I am being a right now.And the "Twin Towers" is a created term.
Could you show me what an uncreated term is? Tool.
No tool...by definition Twin Towers means the pairing of, AND STARTING of, two All Star Caliber Centers in lieu of the traidional C and PF line up...and furthermore, said team is built entirely around those two players....it helps if both are right at 7' or higher as well.Weren't James Worthy and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar "twin towers?" Weren't Kevin McHale and Robert Parish "twin towers?" All were All-Stars and all were Hall-of-Famers
So, no James Worthy was never going to be a part of any twin towers formation, because at no point was he ever considered a C in any way shape or form. Not to mention those teams also had a guy named Magic Johnson.
Nate Thumond = All Star C
Wilt Chamberlain = All Star C
Ralph Sampson = All Star C
Hakeem Olajuwon = All Star C
Bill Cartwright = All Star C
Patrick Ewing = All Star C
David Robinson = All Star C
Tim Duncan...Well he's a PF but he was a C in college and has been interchangeable between the two positions for his entire career...Duncan is just as much of a C as he is a PF and anyone with a shred of knowledge realizes this.
That makes those the only twin tower combos in NBA history.
What excludes Parish and McHale from being considered twin towers? A guy named Larry Bird being on the same frontline with them and being the guy the team was built around...not to mention the other 2 or 3 All Stars and Finals MVP's at the guard spots and coming off the bench on some of those teams.
Last edited by whottt; 04-17-2006 at 03:45 PM.
I can't believe I just had to explain that to a Pistons fan...
Hey Piston Fan...how many of your finals MVP's have been guards?
You look at every NBA Champion in NBA history and you will find only one team that won a championship without a player who never was, nor never would never be an All Star Guard...and that's our 99 Spurs....the team that comes the closest after that is 93-94 the Rockets...but guess what? They did have a guy who would go on to be all NBA....and there is one common denominator between that teams and the team that won without any All Star Guards...Mario Elie...so what was your point about Hakeem again?
Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Chauncey Billups. And I'm confused is Whottt in support of Hakeem or against?
Ooh, I like how this begins. Someone who gets the insults out of the way from the beginning. Let's get it on!
Are you honestly making the argument that Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Veron Maxwell, and Kenny Smith can claim to have the COMBINED talent and accomplishments of Hakeem Olajuwon? They had serviceable guards, and that is what I implicated in the first sentence of the post you are responding to. But we are talking about one All-Star Appearance (Cassell in 2004) of the two guys you just mentioned. We're talking about two guys who have played for a combined 13 NBA teams. I think they qualify as journeymen.
Cassell
No, I think this has been hilarious thus far.
You're right; it's bad choice of words. "Subjective term" or "adjective" are probably more on target of what I was trying to say.
So how does this include Tim Duncan, who has played power forward his entire career and is listed at 6-11? My original point is that the term is very loosely applied to "two tall players who play All-NBA basketball on the same team."
And yet the Spurs have poured money into centers, not power forwards in the absence of David Robinson (Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammad). When I have watched the Spurs, it was more likely I would see Malik Rose at center than Tim Duncan. It went the other way for Hakeem Olajuwon. That's why I think including Duncan in this conversation, a slam-dunk Hall-of-Famer who is the best big man of his generation, makes the term "Twin Towers" a flimsy and ill-defined term.
Wait, wait, wait...didn't Duncan and Robinson have MARIO ELIE, AVERY JOHNSON, and SEAN ELLIOTT?!?! I seem to remember a game-winning shot, and it wasn't Duncan nailing it!
Seriously, the Spurs were built around Duncan and Robinson, but they weren't without guards. I'd say that the Sixers (Andrew Toney and Maurice Cheeks), the Pistons (Joe Dumars and Isiah Thomas), the Lakers (Byron Scott and Magic Johnson) had better guard units than the Celtics. And yes, I am aware of Tiny Archibald, Chris Ford, Danny Ainge, and Dennis Johnson.
But it sounds like the "Twin Towers" have a rule you haven't listed: they have to be the two best players on thier team.
The old axium that "behind every good man is a good woman..."
Joe Dumars has been Finals MVP in 1988-89
started
C - Bill Laimbeer (13.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.23 bpg)
PF - Rick Mahorn (7.3 ppg, 6.9 rpg)
SF - Mark Aguirre (15.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.5 apg - last 36 games) / Adrian Dantley (18.4 ppg - leading scorer - 3.9 rpg, and 2.2 apg - first 42 games)
off-the-bench:
F - Dennis Rodman (9.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg),
PF/C - John Salley (7.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, and 1.07 bpg),
C - James Edwards (7.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg)
Of the Pistons 9-man rotation, 6 of them were frontcourt players. Only Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Vinnie Johnson were a part of the rotation.
Can you name an NBA Champion that had an All-Star Guard without an All-Star frontcourt player? Ask Tracy McGrady, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Jerry Stackhouse, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen --- if you can win A LE without rebounders and shot blockers.
Guards are important. They initiate the offense as it gets bogged down on the block. They can penetrate the lane, hit an open jumper, and are generally more versitile than big men. But winning in the NBA comes down to possession control, and that requires rebounding and limiting high-percentage shots. That's the job, traditionally, of big men.
Duuhhhh Darrin we have got 5 positons in basketball- it would be extreamly difficult to play Twin Towers in a game 2 on 5.
mario Elie '99 was not Mario '95 come on.
What comparisons are you making?
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