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[spurs_fan_in_exile]

We got Elliot back for nothing? Under Bob Hill's expert guidance Bill Curley would have been a HOFer.

[Darrin]

That is why Sean Elliott failed the physical...his kidney problem. The Spurs' faith in him never waivered, though...thank God.

It's a lot easier to have faith in a player when he wants to play for your organization (Elliott complained publicly about being traded to the Pistons) and the team isn't in the middle of a rebuilding process. Detroit assumed he was just tanking for them because his symptoms presented themselves as lathargy.

1991-92 stats: 17.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.8 apg.
1992-93 stats: 12.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.7 apg.
1993-94 stats: 18.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.5 apg.

Pick which two seasons Elliott was playing for the Spurs? He was brought here to be the second scorer alongside Joe Dumars with a budding rookies Allan Houston and Lindsey Hunter. You don't trade a Two-Time Defensive Player of the Year averaging 18.7 rebounds per game for a scrub.

[pache100]

It's a lot easier to have faith in a player when he wants to play for your organization (Elliott complained publicly about being traded to the Pistons) and the team isn't in the middle of a rebuilding process. Detroit assumed he was just tanking for them because his symptoms presented themselves as lathargy.

1991-92 stats: 17.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.8 apg.
1992-93 stats: 12.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.7 apg.
1993-94 stats: 18.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.5 apg.

Pick which two seasons Elliott was playing for the Spurs? He was brought here to be the second scorer alongside Joe Dumars with a budding rookies Allan Houston and Lindsey Hunter. You don't trade a Two-Time Defensive Player of the Year averaging 18.7 rebounds per game for a scrub.

I don't have a problem with someone expressing that they prefer to play with one team over another. It's human nature. I don't give a rat's ass what Detoit assumed; that's their problem and loss. If they had acted like they actually WANTED Elliott to play for them instead of acquiring him for trade bait, things might have gone differently. That works both ways. And, apparently, they did want him badly enough to sign him twice.

Sean was a two-time All Star and I know which years he played for the Spurs (I've seen his jersey banner in the arena many times - was at the jersey retirement ceremony - as well as following his career personally) and which year he played 73 games for Detroit. He's also an NBA Champ. And you're calling him a scrub?

[gospursgojas]

I remember, I think it was during the 99 season... the Spurs were down like 20+ with 3 mins to go to the trailblazers, and 5-0 got called for a stupid foul, then got a T called on him and he just went off on the ref, and got thrown out of the game, then the Spurs went off on the Blazers and won

I remeber he got thrown out with like 3:16 to go in the game so the Express News headline the next day was something like David 3:16 and is had a pic of Big Dave screaming inthe face of the ref...Im sure you guys know who the ref was but I forgot, I dont know how I could forget the only ref to throw David out of a game but I did...

[Darrin]

I don't have a problem with someone expressing that they prefer to play with one team over another. It's human nature.

As long as you give maximum effort while in that uniform, I don't give a damn either. Cliff Robinson and Jon Barry didn't want to be here, but they played their asses off and the next thing you know the Pistons were a winning franchise. That's my beef with Elliott.

I don't give a rat's ass what Detoit assumed; that's their problem and loss. If they had acted like they actually WANTED Elliott to play for them instead of acquiring him for trade bait, things might have gone differently.

You think they would've had an easier time moving Sean Elliott, a two-time All-Star at the time than a guy who is perhaps the best rebounder the league has seen since Bill Russell? They tried to trade him because he made it clear he didn't want to be a Piston.

Sean was a two-time All Star and I know which years he played for the Spurs (I've seen his banner in the arena many times as well as following his career personally) and which year he played 73 games for Detroit. He's also an NBA Champ. And you're calling him a scrub?

His kidney disorder didn't go away; he needed a transplant after the 1998-99 season. Can you explain to me why there was a 5-point dropoff in his perfomance from 1992 to 1993 and a 6-point bump from 1993 to 1994?

I'm not calling him a scrub; I'm saying he played like a scrub for Detroit, and not all of that was his health.

[pache100]

I'm not calling him a scrub; I'm saying he played like a scrub for Detroit, and not all of that was his health.

You did call him a scrub (go back and read your post where you said it). As for your last remark, how do you know? Are you a doctor? Did you examine Sean Elliott? You can be a hater all day and all night. You will not change history nor the facts.

[Darrin]

You did call him a scrub (go back and read your post where you said it).

I think you need to re-read the post. I said the Pistons weren't going to trade Dennis Rodman for some scrub, he was brought here with the Pistons wanting him and the implication is that he proved over that year that he didn't want to be in Detroit.

[Darrin]

As for your last remark, how do you know? Are you a doctor? Did you examine Sean Elliott? You can be a hater all day and all night. You will not change history nor the facts.

No. Have you examined Sean Elliott? If you have the chance, would you know what to look for? What I have what Sean Elliott has said about his year here, what the Pistons have said about the situation, the lack of production in Detroit, and his failed physical. That's all I have as a fan; that's all you have.

Don't claim to know more about this than I do or any other fan of the NBA.

[pache100]

No. Have you examined Sean Elliott? If you have the chance, would you know what to look for? What I have what Sean Elliott has said about his year here, what the Pistons have said about the situation, the lack of production in Detroit, and his failed physical. That's all I have as a fan; that's all you have.

Don't claim to know more about this than I do or any other fan of the NBA.

No, actually, what I have is what Sean has said, what the medical experts said before, during and after his transplant said, what many other medical experts - including the Spurs doctors - said. As for your last condescending remark, I could also say that to you, Mr. Know-it-all (otherwise known as obnoxious Pistons fan...and yes, as a matter of fact, I do know they are not all like that).

And you still have not changed any facts or rewritten history.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...elliott+kidney

Everyone can save a little time and just read this thread. Why tire yourselves beating a dead horse when others have already blown it to bits?

[Darrin]

As for your last condescending remark, I could also say that to you, Mr. Know-it-all.

Exactly. This is a mud-slinging match if this debate continues much further. I don't know everything and I didn't claim to. I didn't raise the level of knowledge to only those the trained professionals that have examined Sean Elliott.

I know this is like someone insulting Joe Dumars or Ben Wallace, which I would never stand for. But my experience as a fan of Sean Elliott wasn't the warm and fuzzy experience most Spurs fans have. It's more like the Blazers' fans talking about Rasheed Wallace.

[pache100]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...elliott+kidney

Everyone can save a little time and just read this thread. Why tire yourselves beating a dead horse when others have already blown it to bits?

Thanks, I read that thread at the time, but could not find it today. I'm done with this, anyway, said all I care to say. Haters will not be moved, they do not want to be confused by facts.

[Darrin]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...elliott+kidney

Everyone can save a little time and just read this thread. Why tire yourselves beating a dead horse when others have already blown it to bits?

I didn't know this existed; I wasn't here in June of 2005.

I'm sorry to the rest of the board for hijacking this thread.

[leemajors]

You think they would've had an easier time moving Sean Elliott, a two-time All-Star at the time than a guy who is perhaps the best rebounder the league has seen since Bill Russell?

dennis rodman is probably the best rebounder since russell.

[SpursWoman]

I read this thread as "mammories".



Sorry to interrupt, please continue...

[Darrin]

I read this thread as "mammories".



Sorry to interrupt, please continue...

Suddenly...

[SpursWoman]

Sorry, it was getting a little ..... tense ..... in here.

[Kori Ellis]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...elliott+kidney

Everyone can save a little time and just read this thread. Why tire yourselves beating a dead horse when others have already blown it to bits?

Damn I just re-read that thread. It's amazing how much timvp owned everyone in that whole conversation.

Especially this post:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=170

[timvp]

Damn I just re-read that thread. It's amazing how much timvp owned everyone in that whole conversation.

Especially this post:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=170

Got damn that was a good post

[SpursWoman]

Damn I just re-read that thread. It's amazing how much timvp owned everyone in that whole conversation.

Especially this post:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=170

Yeah, there are a lot of memories in that thread, too.

[JealousOnesNV]

All damn....my bad...Didnt know I would get yall going like that. I was just thinking back to a dark time in Piston history.

[Darrin]

I'm ready to start making fun of Rick Pitino again.

I think if someone told me on Draft day 1997 that the San Antonio Spurs would end up with as many les as the Philadelphia 76ers and Detroit Pistons, I would've laughed. I've respected the Spurs, but not three les. I thought, at the most, Robinson would finish with one if he got lucky.

Now, they aren't just a classy organization, they are the class of the NBA.

[Darrin]

All damn....my bad...Didnt know I would get yall going like that. I was just thinking back to a dark time in Piston history.

If you've been a Pistons fan that long you know that bringing up anything from 1992 through 2000 is painful.

[JealousOnesNV]

If you've been a Pistons fan that long you know that bringing up anything from 1992 through 2000 is painful.

Very true although the Grant Hill era brought us some hope. I remember when we traded Ratliff for Stack and I THOUGHT we had a great one two punch. Man was I wrong....But them dark days are long gone.

[JealousOnesNV]

I'm ready to start making fun of Rick Pitino again.

I think if someone told me on Draft day 1997 that the San Antonio Spurs would end up with as many les as the Philadelphia 76ers and Detroit Pistons, I would've laughed. I've respected the Spurs, but not three les. I thought, at the most, Robinson would finish with one if he got lucky.

Now, they aren't just a classy organization, they are the class of the NBA.

Got to agree with you there........Man Pitino really did put that chalk outline around the Celtics organiztion.