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The terrorists choose to hide behind children. Who's fault is that?
weren't there Jewish terrorists before WWII
The terrorists choose to hide behind children. Who's fault is that?
You have a point but not all of them do and it is NEVER the fault of an innocent child and it doesn't change the fact that children die during war. No way around it.
Does Israeli artillery bombing Palestinian civilians counts? Or Israeli tanks shooting on civilians? Or Israeli choppers and planes firing missiles on Palestinian houses? Or Israeli soldiers shooting? Neither side is innocent or naive.
Yeah, because they asked to be taught. It was pretty naive in the first place to believe that all of the sudden democracy would spread there like beer in Oktoberfest.
Then get the out of there if their are stuck in medieval times. Oh, wait, they have oil below them...
If you consider them "mindless demons", then you can't take the moral high ground and talk about peace. There is a burden of responsability in all sides (the Arabs, the Israelis and the west). If they just blame each other and retaliate, then we have what has been going on for the last 55 years.
What is the Israeli mindset? The hardline Likud "let's kill 'em all"? Neither side is going to turn their cheeks in the current state of things. Violence is good for many of the political actors in there, Likud and Hamas need each other as Bush needs Al-Qaeda.
I must say this has to be one of the most savage attacks against a civilian target. Women and children blown into bits.
And now the terrorist's act of intentionally targeting innocent women and children is rationalized as " for tat" because Israel is targeting those that commit those acts. That's for tat?
How so Joe?
Bla bla bla...
Israel was given to the Jews by the West after WW2. To say the least, the Arab world has never forgived them or the Allies for it. I can understand that.
But, it doesnt change the fact that the Arab world is sooooooo under-developed and religion-centric. Uneducated neanderthals that we are "forced" to deal with because of the Black Gold they sit on.
They are such cowards (or smart) that they wouldnt dare fight under one flag against the infidels because if they did, they would be crushed in little to no time at all.
True. Innocent people, including children, die in legitimate acts of war.
The distinction to be made in this conflict is that the Islamic Jihad (supported by the legitimate Palestinian government led by Hamas) intentionally targeted non-combatants at the bus stop in Tel Aviv. There were no military or government facilities nearby. There was no strategic advantage to be gained by walking into that crowd and detonating yourself.
Israel, on the other hand, attacked a facility that contained those who planned, prepared, and executed the attack. It wasn't some random act of violence perpetrated on a group of Palestinians going about their daily routines. And, as unfortunate as it is, these barbarians choose to co-locate among innocent civilians (although some would argue the entire Palestinian society is complicit by their failure to condemn the acts of their own) so as to make the decision to retaliate that much more gut-wrenching.
Thousands of innocents died in Dresden and Tokyo during WWII. Similarly, innocents have accounted for large portions of the dead in all wars -- including our aerial assault of Bosnia in the 90's and during the bookend wars of Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. It's an inescapable fact of contemporary warfare.
Long gone are the days when combatants meet on a field of battle and attempt to confine the dead and wounded to just those that bear arms. No, now we have asymmetrical warfare where cowardly terrorists either send their young to die with belt bombs strapped to their waste or where they strike from positions deep within their own neighborhoods -- surrounded by their own friends, relatives, and children.
I would agree that the Palestinian terrorism is more wrong than Israel's landtaking and reprisals, but that hardly makes Israel right.
Attacking a terrorist facility from where a terrorist act had just been launched is wrong?
Israel has a legitimate right to defend itself. Whoever thinks the Israelis are going to sit with their heads up their asses and do nothing while these terrorists/assasins kill Jews by the dozens, is smoking funny weed.
What would the US do if every month, a couple of Americans were blown to pieces by siucide bombers in some of its major cities? Wouldn't they retaliate and innocent people would die? , innocent people by the thousands were killed in this Iraq war without any provocation (oh, I forget, it's all those ties with AQ and all those WMDs that they found).
Isreal's contribution to the problem, in my view, is how they treat the Palestinians. But the retaliation is hardly something they can be blamed for. Any country on earth would retaliate if they were in the Israeli's shoes.
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