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    My only problem with Iverson is his style of play. Andre Iguodala last night had 27 points, and it's not the first time he's put up big numbers. The guy is as talented as advertised, not just a high flier.

    Iverson doesn't punish the opposing team for triple-teaming him. Jordan eventually learned to. When Duncan is tripled in the post, what does he do? He passes out to Manu or Tony or (bad memory of the Finals flashback) Bruce Bowen.

    Iverson doesn't do that on a consistent basis. When I call him selfish, it's not as a human being. It's all about his game. Just the opinion from one of his critics.
    I agree with all of that.


    But as long as the offense is scoring, whatever, it doesn't matter. AI will still manage to pass the ball, even though he looks to score.

    The defense needs to improve. The Sixers simply don't play defense, Mo Cheeks is a terrible coach, and Webber is a useless piece.

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    bull . Don't dare compare Arenas with Starbury. Arenas actually was the reason the Wiz reached the 2nd round and the reason they are keeping 5th seed.
    Let's not forget that no matter what conference Marbury has been in, he has failed to make the second round.

    People seem to forget that Washington lost Larry Hughes from last season's team. That's why he upped his scoring average by over 4 points from last season. It was a co-backcourt of two "guards," no shooting or point guard labels needed. That's what made them so fun to watch. Jared Jeffries and whoever starts at center are barely an offensive option.

    Unlike Iverson, he's had two players over 16 ppg in the same year he's been top-five in scoring.

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    The reason the Wiz reached the second round was they played a Bulls team without their center. And that took seven games.

    They were them humliated by a Miami team that played without Shaq for the last two games.

    Gilbert Arenas is complete Fool's Gold. He's got a Kobe/AI at ude but nowhere near the talent. As long as he's getting his 20-25 shots a game and nobody else on the team is scoring more, he's happy. If he's not, then he'll pout. He'll never come close to sniffing a championship.

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    The reason the Wiz reached the second round was they played a Bulls team without their center. And that took seven games.

    They were them humliated by a Miami team that played without Shaq for the last two games.

    Gilbert Arenas is complete Fool's Gold. He's got a Kobe/AI at ude but nowhere near the talent. As long as he's getting his 20-25 shots a game and nobody else on the team is scoring more, he's happy. If he's not, then he'll pout. He'll never come close to sniffing a championship.
    No one else scores? Caron Butler is averaging a career-high 17.0 points and Antawn is getting 20.4 a game.

    Udonis Haslem (10.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 1.5 spg in 37.5 mpg) and Alonzo Mourning (6.0 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.25 bpg in 19.3 mpg) were huge in that Miami series. Games 2 (with Shaq in Miami) and 4 (without Shaq in Washington) were very, very close. Did you really expect the Wizards to play the Pistons in the Conference Finals?

    As for the Bulls, yes, they were beat up. But the Wizards finished them off in SIX GAMES after falling into a 2-0 hole. It was quite an accomplishment for a guy - himself and his teammates - that hadn't been to the postseason ever.

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    I never said no one else scores. All the Wiz do is score, because they don't play defense a lick. They're the closest thing to Phoenix in the East. That's they're system. And even on a bad defensive team, Arenas is the worst of the regulars.

    What I said is that Arenas wants it clear that all the shots are his, except for when he deigns to pass. And when he gets called on shooting too much, he will completely stop shooting for a game out of petulance. He's done it twice with the Wizards and at least once with GS.

    I repeat, the guy has talent, but his only goal in life is to ac late stats to compensate for being a second round pick. He will never come close to sniffing any kind of championship with his present at ude and game. You're welcome to him any time you want.

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    The greatest thing for the Sixers to do would be to bring AI in and say "We were going to try to trade you to a contender, but since you pulled your stunt, we can't get equivalent value. You are here for life."

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    The greatest thing for the Sixers to do would be to bring AI in and say "We were going to try to trade you to a contender, but since you pulled your stunt, we can't get equivalent value. You are here for life."
    That would be a bad business decision. Apathy is setting in with Philadelphia's fanbase. Their in-house attendance is way down; I'm sure ticket renewals will be their lowest since 1998 or 1999.

    They keep things as is, and First Union or Wachovia or whatever you want to call the building will look like Philipps Arena.

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    That would be a bad business decision. Apathy is setting in with Philadelphia's fanbase. Their in-house attendance is way down; I'm sure ticket renewals will be their lowest since 1998 or 1999.

    They keep things as is, and First Union or Wachovia or whatever you want to call the building will look like Philipps Arena.
    The bad business decision is Iverson not showing up for the goddamn game. The Sixers are stuck with Webber, because nobody is going to take his contract. Iverson just ed his own cause, and the team should tell him that.

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    Iverson, Webber apologize for late arrival

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nba&id=2414504

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Allen Iverson and Chris Webber apologized Wednesday for their actions a night earlier, when they didn't arrive to the arena until just before tip-off and then didn't sit on the bench during Philadelphia's victory over New Jersey.

    The players were on the bench in the first quarter for the 76ers' game at Charlotte, although Iverson returned to the locker room in the second quarter. Coach Maurice Cheeks blamed Tuesday's episode on a lack of communication.

    "I definitely wasn't trying to disrespect Mo in any way, or the fans, as everybody is talking about," Iverson said. "I've been here for 10 years, and to deliberately try to disrespect the fans, I would never try to do that in any way. I'm upset it came across that way."

    Team officials also said they should have informed the media and fans the two stars would not play on Fan Appreciation Night in Philadelphia.

    Iverson, who has been battling an ankle injury, said he told the team trainer on Monday that he wouldn't play against the Nets. Webber, who has a sore back, said he knew moments after the 76ers were eliminated from playoff contention Sunday that he would sit out.

    "It was hurting to play," Webber said. "So when our goal was terminated in making the playoffs, I knew then I wasn't going to play.

    "I think this is just a big misunderstanding. We didn't try to shun the fans or whatever is being reported. When you're not necessarily loved by the media, the fans are all you have."

    But reporters weren't told that before the game the players wouldn't play, and Cheeks seemed to indicate the players would play when he addressed the media before the game.

    Iverson, Philadelphia's leading scorer at 33 points per game, and Webber, second with 20.2 points a contest, said they talked with Cheeks about the incident.

    "We had a conversation and they were very apologetic," Cheeks said. "They were sorry that this all has taken place, as I am."

    Iverson said he hasn't spoken with team president Billy King, who was irate a day earlier. King, who arrived just before the game, would not comment at halftime.

    "I've said enough," he said.

    Players are required to arrive 90 minutes before the game when they are playing, although some players who are injured will arrive closer to tipoff.

    "I honestly thought as long as I got there before the ball went up, everything would be cool," Iverson said. "I've been doing it that way my whole career and it never was a problem, even when coach (Larry) Brown was here."

    Cheeks, who was upset at the players' y arrival Tuesday, was more diplomatic before Wednesday's game.

    "This was a delicate situation," Cheeks said. "My communication with Chris and Allen should have been better. I take responsibility, I'm the coach."

    As for sitting on the bench, some injured players do, but Iverson said he doesn't like to.

    "I don't like to sit on the bench and be heckled by one or two fans, I just don't like to do it," said Iverson, who watched the Tuesday's game with Webber from the locker room. "I've had that experience and didn't like it. I'm human just everybody else."

    Both players arrived within 90 minutes of game time Wednesday in Charlotte, and spoke to reporters separately.

    "If we would had known it was going to develop into something like this, of course we wouldn't have done it," Webber said. "I regret it and truly apologize to the fans."

    Iverson said it's another harmless incident that has been blown out of proportion in his Philadelphia career.

    "Everything that I do, everything that I say is magnified," Iverson said in front of more than a dozen reporters outside the Sixers' locker room. "I didn't think it was going to get out of hand like this."

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    The bad business decision is Iverson not showing up for the goddamn game. The Sixers are stuck with Webber, because nobody is going to take his contract. Iverson just ed his own cause, and the team should tell him that.
    I don't think Webber is untradeable. New York would take him in a heartbeat for the cap space of Jalen Rose or the exciting Steve Francis and Eddy Curry. Of couse, Jermaine O'Neal and Kevin Garnett would have the be unavailable, but I could see them doing that. New York was Webber's second choice in 2000-01, and Thomas has a relationship with Chris Webber that dates back to high school. He used to work out with the Pistons at Oakland University.

    His numbers (20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.37 spg) are still good enough that a team desperate for a big man would take a chance.

    Vin Baker proved to me that no one is untradable.

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    Vin Baker proved to me that no one is untradable.
    Touche.

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    I still think a lot of the blame falls on Mo Cheeks. He's not a very enforceful coach and he doesn't have much in the way of strategizing.
    Look what he did for the Jail Blazers. Although I don't condone what Darius Miles calld Mo Cheeks, Miles was right about him; not an enforceful coach.

    As for Allen Iverson, he needs to be moved back to 2-guard, where he belongs. A point guard's supposed to pass first, shoot second (or only when open, or when the ball's in his hands when the shot clock or game clock is winding down), not the other way around. Stephon Marbury's a similar type of point guard. The only point guards in the league I am aware of who are truly pass-first guards are Steve Nash, and maybe guards like Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or Chauncey Billups. I'm not saying point guards should do absolutely no shooting and be completely about assists. I'm saying that point guards shouldn't be ballhogs, and should focus on assists just as much as they should on scoring. I guess certain point guards (AI, Stephon Marbury, etc.) have the idea that the term "point guard" means they're supposed to do all the scoring, because they think the word "point" in that phrase means putting points on the board.
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